Where would Vitlai Klitschko’s comeback rate if he defeats Sam Peter?

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  1. Mendoza

    Mendoza Hrgovic = Next Heavyweight champion of the world. banned Full Member

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    Those at the weigh in will tell you that Johnson had on two sets of clothes, and heavy objects in his pockets. This can be seen in the weigh in photos. Clothes on a big man = 8-10 pounds. Yes Johnson was over weight, but the fight was over quickly, so stamina was not an issue.

    Who else KO'd Johnson this quick? Remember Johnson beat Maskeav, Saveresse, cursier champ Al Cole, and Larry Donald. He lost to Ruiz via DQ, though Ruiz could have been DQ'd as well. So outside of a DQ loss, only Vitlai has beaten Kirk Johnson.
     
  2. SuzieQ49

    SuzieQ49 The Manager Full Member

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    a 40 year old maskaev better than golota?
     
  3. Mendoza

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    Yes. At least Maskeav has beaten Rhaman. Golota has ZERO big wins. In fact Sinan Sam would be Golota's best win.
     
  4. fists of fury

    fists of fury Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Well, the fight is done and dusted, ,and here are my views:

    Credit first must go to Vitali - he looked very nearly as good as the last time he stepped into the ring. His condition was excellent and from the start he established the jab and his timing was very sharp for someone out for so long.
    I was surprised at how quickly he found his 'groove' in the fight. He systematically took Peter apart with little drama. It makes you wonder what would have happened if he wasn't forced out of boxing for four long years. Now history has been made and it will be interesting to see what the Klitschko brothers get up to next.
    It was a very convincing display from Vitali (far more so than his brother's performance versus Peter) and certainly one of the more impressive comebacks in heavyweight history.

    As for Peter, well...as every bit as Vitali was good, he was bad. Shocking actually. He looked positively lethargic (if not downright disinterested) for most of the fight, and it looked as if they had taken some guy off the street to fight the big Ukrainian.

    Yes, it's never easy to fight a well-schooled boxer who has height and reach advantages, but surely Peter's camp must have studied Vitali's tapes for months on end, and hired suitable sparring partners to help him prepare for getting inside Vitali's long reach.
    Yet, if Peter had a gameplan, he certainly didn't use it.

    Congrats to Vitali, he I think opened a lot of peoples' eyes over the weekend. In the meantime, Peter will probably fade into bolivian.
     
  5. OLD FOGEY

    OLD FOGEY Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Vitali showed a great deal of boxing skill. There is no doubt he would be a handful for anyone at all.

    How does this win rate? The problem is that Peter just does not look like that much to me. His power is probably overrated and he is all but immobile, and not a facile boxer. There is no denying that coming back after four years away from the game and at 37 is impressive for Vitali. I would rate this victory at about the same level as Willard defeating Floyd Johnson. A win over someone like Valuev would really pump Vitali's reputation, though.

    Just a thought. As Wlad had so much trouble with Peter, will this fight switch their ultimate ratings.
     
  6. PowerPuncher

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    Desperate fictional storytelling to justify an unprepared substandard opponent for a legacy fight :lol:
     
  7. ChrisPontius

    ChrisPontius March 8th, 1971 Full Member

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    I don't think so. In the first place because Wladimir has much more quality wins and a longer period of being on top of the division - but Peter specific: Wlad fought a much, much better version of the Nigerian than did Vitali. Against Wladimir, Peter was undefeated, full of confidence that he was undestructable, he fought the style that fits him best (a brawler), and had his weight down to 240lbs (though he should've been at 230lbs). Against Vitali, he tried to box, was slower than he'd ever been, unmotivated and just flat-out horrible. Peter is one of those fighters who goes for broke and takes beatings during sparring and i think that's one of the reasons of his quick decline, in combination with his weight, wrong training and blowing up in between fights.

    That said, Vitali does match up better with him.
     
  8. Mendoza

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    What would you like to wager? I'm sure if its fiction, you would not mind much.
     
  9. PowerPuncher

    PowerPuncher Loyal Member Full Member

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    You can prove, he had:

    '2 pairs of clothes' - not 1 but 2
    'had weights in pockets'

    Weighing in with clothes is a possibility, weighing in with weights while being hideously overweight there is zero possibility of, and another case of your bull**** Klithugging spin. If he weighed in dressed it was to hide how fat he was
     
  10. barneyrub

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    did you not see his wobbly belly flap around during the fight????????? You must be blind! Johnson wasnt even knocked out, he actually quit, he took a dive to avoid bieng hit before he was even caught clean, it was a pitiful performance.
     
  11. tommy the hat

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    Well, Vitali pulled it off in impressive fashion. I don't think anyone thought he would win it that easy though, as Peter looked listless and horrible. I was very impressed with Vital's comeback. I always thought he was the better of the brothers IMO, and I never had doubts about his talent. But for him to do what he did 1. At age 38 2. After a four year layoff 3. After all the serious injuries he had, including a couple back surgeries 4. All this against a young, active and dangerous puncher makes this comeback very impressive to me. He actually looked as good as ever had before, which is something you can't sy about guys like Ali, Tyson and Foreman in their respective comebacks.
     
  12. Vanboxingfan

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    I too am inpressed with his comeback, although I confess to not yet having seen the fight. But this still doesn't compare to the Foreman win over Moorer nor Ali's win over Foreman. But a great comeback nevertheless, against an average opponent. Says as much about the divison as it does about Vitali. But it's interesting to think where Vitali's career could have gone absent being injured over the last 3-4 years, he likely would have out shone his brother.
     
  13. Mendoza

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    Did you not see the weigh in photo? Johnson had a pair of clothes and a heavy hooded sweat shirt on, which on a big man is several pounds.

    Here is the photo:

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    And don't be foolish, fighters had hidden objects before on the scales.

    If I find the picture, with his baggy pants on, I'll post that too.
     
  14. McGrain

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    Mendoza, do you agree, knowing what you know now, that Peter had as close to no chance as it can possibly be for a top class HW, to win that fight?
     
  15. SuzieQ49

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    Kirk johnson looked obese in there vs vitali, he had rolls of flab around his midsection. larry merchant didnt call him the "harpooned whale" for nothing.....johnson was disgustingly out of shape.