Where would Vitlai Klitschko’s comeback rate if he defeats Sam Peter?

1. Golota is the 90s Vitali Klitchko nearly man. He practically beat Riddick Bowe twice who was seen as no1 when Golota faced him. His performance in losing to Bowe was nearer to winning than Vitali was against Lewis

Golota got robbed against Ruiz & Byrd and beat plenty of fringe contenders. In his prime maybe Maskeev was near but below Golotas level but not the 39yo version Peter fought

2. Mendoza you always make a fool of yourself when it comes to talking about boxing techique because you've never laced them up. How do you think Botha was beating Tyson? He was jabbing and moving, ehs not Ali but that is Bothas game, stationary object - you make yourself look a fool yet again.

3. Debate this: Tyson had superior SPEED, POWER, DEFENSE, FOOTWORK, CONDITION, TECHNIQUE, SKILL THAN FAT BOY PETER - DEBATE THAT!!!!!!!!!!

4. Toney was shot and won the first fight. Actually all of Peters notable wins are over shot, old, overweight fighters. I won't rate him if he beats Vitali either.

Face it Tyson fought better comp 1999-2002 than Peter, looked better, and is elite compared to Peter whos what Floyd would call 'a C Class Bum', Peter got kd'd multiple times by a bodybuilder who can't box a lick (McCline)

 

I agree with a decent amount of your post, but I would like to throw in a few things. Mccline does have early round power, it's only later when he gases out, does it seem to disappear, he has already knocked down these A and B class Heavyweights, alot of which came from one punch, Bryd, Briggs, Brock, and lately Peter, he also kncoked out Grant, something Golota failed to do, which lead him to be knocked out himself later in the fight.

I also disagree when you said Peter is C-class, when he gave Wlad hell for 12 rounds, by knocking him down 3 times, forcing him to clinch over 95 times, and only ended up losing by 3 points on all three of the judges scorecards, so does that mean Wlad's only a B B- Heavyweight? I agree when you said Tyson 1999-02 was better than the Peter now, but Peter is far from a bum, and he is currently ranked 2 in all the respected mags and sites, if he's C class, the Heavyweight division is far worse than anyone even thought.

 

3. Disagree, and the fan who liked both of them agrees with me. Peter beat better fighter than Tyson did from 1999-2002. While Peter was decked by McCline, Tyson quit vs an even worse bodybuilder named McBride who was slow as molasses, who has even less skills than McCline.[/quote]

1/2. Start a thread most people, around 75%-80%, had Golota beating Ruiz and Byrd. BTW officially he drew with Byrd. Bowe was unlucky not to get a win against Bowe and beat Tim Witherspoon, Nicolson, Mcbride, Mollo, Orlin Norris.

T Rex Sansders Ko'd Maskeev and Golota beat him.

3. Botha against Tyson jabbed and moved and he did it well until he got caught, are you saying Botha brawled with Tyson ???

TYSON WAS VERY RUSTY AFTER BEEN OUT OF THE RING FOR 3YEARS MUCH LIKE VITALI. IS TYSONS COMEBACK AGAINST BOTHA GREAT TOO

4. Tyson still had better power, speed, stamina, combinations, movement. What does Peter do better than Tyson? I can't see anything, Peter can't even throw a straight punch. Peter may have gone 12 against Toney, do you think a 2002 Tyson wouldn't go 12 against Tyson? Tyson probably takes Toney's head off but he wouldn't have any problem doing 12 with Toney.

The declined Tyson beat himself against McBride and this was 3years after Tyson fought Lewis. Anyway Tyson victim Golota beat McBride. this proves Tyson was a different beast in 2002 than he declined to in 2005

5. The other poster on this thread rates the comp about the same because they are around the same level. We can argue all day but the comp is similar.

6. The Old Toney who beat Ruiz, Holyfield and Peter himself in the first fight (robbery) is not the same Toney who lost the rematch to Peter 4 years after his Holyfield win. Lets not forget Toney got beat by a journeyman in his fight after Peter but got a gift. FACT - TONEY WAS SHOT AGAINST PETER IN THE REMATCH

ANSWER THIS WHO WAS MORE DOMINANT TYSON VERSUS BOTHA/GOLOTA/ OR PETER VERSUS TONEY1/2 MASKEEV/MCCLINE??

TYSON WAS CLEARLY MORE DOMINANT. YOU'VE ALSO ADMITTED IN THIS THREAD TONEY WON THE FIRST FIGHT AGAINST PETER.

 

Peter is C Class in terms of skill level. I would say on a P4P level he is on Gattis level, which is no insult.

McCline is heavy handed but he isn't a brutal puncher, the power he has for a 280lb man isn't impressive. I don't rate Golota's power either.

Either way I wouldnt see a 2002 Tyson getting kd'ed by McCline or taking longer than 5rounds to stop McCline.

The 2002 Tyson would have put away the Wlad that Peter fought. He'd have more speed to get to Wlad, more power, more skill to land the better shots and Wlad looking like a nervous wreck would see him getting a 4th KO loss on his record.

 

I agree with your post, both Peter and Wlad would of lost to Tyson 99-02. I feel Mccline's power is still very underrated, it's his stamina issue that holds him back from finishing his oppenents off when there hurt. I honestly dont see Wlad getting past the 1st round, aggressive, power punching heavyweight is Wlads biggest nightmare, Tyson would fit that bill perfectly.

 

Backtracking Z? Looks like your admitting Toney took the first, now your saying Peter won by 1point? Peter was missing his punches all night against an old obese middleweight

2002 Tyson would have beat this Toney easily

 

So in answer to my question you admit Tyson was more dominant and impressive the Peter, thank you

Running away from the points again and crying about someone not sucking Vitali's balls as you insist on doing .

Golota and Botha were near prime when Tyson faced them, Toney and Maskeev were either obese, inactive, 39yo or all of those and ofcourse a middleweight in Toney's case.

Again Maskeev lost to Sanders who Golota beat

I don't hate Vitali I'm objective about him I just hate nutthugging biased Klitchko fans like yourself. The only reason you rate Sam Peter's compeition all of a sudden is because it makes your hero look better:yep

 

It is hard to comprehend, tell me which of these categories Peter is better at:

SPEED - The Tyson Lewis faced would throw 3shots in the time it takes Peter to throw 1

POWER - Peter couldn't stop McCline/Toney, and is proving not to be too powerful, Tyson has countless 1shot KOs and even the older version was more dangerous than Peter could hope to be

DEFENSE - does Peter know what that is?

FOOTWORK - see above

CONDITIONING - Peter is about 30lbs overweight, is cumbersome and is out of breath early in the fight. Against Toney/McCline Tyson would have no problem with conditioning. Tyson looks more conditioned and was more conditioned

TECHNIQUE - Tyson's technique is light years ahead of Peters

SKILL - see above

 

Z were the only 1s debating here dont get paranoid thinking I'm missquoting you, ESB does that sometimes

 

Were talking 2002 not 2004-2005

If Tyson was shot to pieces do you agree Sanders, Kirk Johnson, Hide and Danny Williams were also all shot to pieces as they all lost to journeymen within 2years of losing to Vitali? Sanders, Hide and Johnson lost to complete bums. WIlliams lost to Audley Harrison and Skeleton

You can't have it both ways Z.