where would wallin rank on joshuas best wins

You must really hate Wilder rating Xmas Pudding Whyte above him - did you not watch the Fury v Wilder fights and Fury v Whyte?

The difference in class between Wilder and Whyte was huge.

 

Did you not watch the Whyte vs Parker and Wilder vs Parker.

Agreed the difference was huge. Whyte has the better jab, the better hook, physically the much stronger, much better fighter on the inside, can box on the back foot unlike Wilder and is the tougher of the two.

 

Context Mr Mitch needs defined - the situation within which something exists or happens, and that can help explain it.

Do you expect Wilder to be anything but washed up after 1 round of boxing since Fury 3 and at 38 years of age?

You have Wilder down as a Prime Ali on Saturday being shocked by a fresh Prime Mike Tyson.

 

What was different from the Wilder's performance that lead you believe he was anything different from his past fights?

As we saw in the Parker fight Parker took advantages of the weaknesses Wilder displayed his entire career

- Wilder struggles with opposition with good movement as shown when a low level opponent in Spzilka out boxed in numerous rounds causing him problems.

- Wilder struggles against anyone with half decent jab as seen with a low level opponent Washington who took numerous rounds off Wilder causing him issues with his above average jab

- Wilder struggles against anyone who walks him down and puts him on the back foot as seen with Dauhaupas that busted Wilders face up and took him deeper.

Add to the fact that Wilder has never fought anyone with hand speed of Parker who when he saw Wilder telegraphing his right as he does, Parker was able to to beat him to the punch.

Wilder has also never beaten a proven legit world level boxer like Parker whilst Parker has beaten a more skilled boxer than Wilder in Ruiz.

 

Heard it all now - Smokin Joe Parker

 

Ortiz's KO record going into Wilder 1 was 28 stoppage wins in 30 fights if one counts the NC's and DQ's as stoppage wins, which is accurate given what happened in those fights. Releford and Scott hit the deck, the only guys to take Ortiz the distance prior to Wilder 1.

Mitch is disingenuous as hell. Zack Page was only stopped by one guy across something like 44 fights, many against contenders and titlists, and that guy was Ortiz in 8. Allen easily went the 10 rounds with Whyte, got smashed up in 7 by Ortiz in his next fight. Cojanu easily went 12 with Parker, one-punched in 2 by post-Wilder 1 Ortiz. Jennings got destroyed in 7 despite going 12 with Wlad and Joyce. Thompson ruined in 6, only Wlad stopped him aside from that in 50 post-amateur fights. Kayode crushed in 1. 42+ post-Wilder 2 Ortiz one-shotting Martin in 6 after getting dropped twice, yet next big thing Anderson and Kownacki couldn't budge him over 10.

But Ortiz had "average power" lol. I guess it's a Mitch tautology based on the fact that he didn't KO or even KD Wilder and Fury did. In reality Ortiz was a big puncher, certainly top 5 in the division and probably top 3 at some point.

 

The best Ortiz beat was Jennings and Martin (who dropped him twice). When Ortiz stepped up, he got beat in all 3 occasions against Ruiz and even Wilder. That's sums up Ortiz.

 

How many KO's does Parker have against his 12 best opponents? 0 (including Cojanu and Fa)

How many KO's does Whyte have against his 13 best? 3 (including Browne and Lewison)

Yet these guys are supposedly bigger punchers than Ortiz!

When Povetkin stepped up he went 0-2 with Wlad and Joshua, men KO'd by stalwarts such as Puritty, Brewster and Ruiz. And his best wins were Whyte (couldn't lay a glove on Fury before getting smoked) and Huck (50-50 disputed decision, whereas Huck got KO'd by Cunningham and Glowacki). That sums up Povetkin, clearly a complete mediocrity.

 

It was a case of a very overrated protected fighter who made a career of fighting low level challenges against an underrated boxer who has taken better quality opposition and has taken on all challenges (except for the time he turned down Hrgovic).

 

Parker beat wins
Ruiz
Wilder
Chisora
Takam
Hughie

Ortiz
Jennings
Martin

It's clear who had the better r cord. I mean Ortiz was Takam/ Chiroa level at best and was another overhype boxer when you look at the level opposition he beat.

 

Wilder has fought the better opposition: Fury x3.

Besides that Ortiz was better than Parker, as you admitted in 2018.

In those days you claimed that Jennings was better than Chisora, who had KO'd Takam by that point. So Ortiz had a Chisora+ level win there.

You described the Hammer win as "notable".

And you were placing Martin above Takam in 2021, so that's a Takam+ level win for Ortiz.

 

How can Ortiz be Chisora/Takam level when:

1. They ducked him, I can dig up the Chisora quotes but you've seen them and Takam pulled out to fight Duhaupas, who he also didn't fight

2. Ortiz has better wins than that level of fighter by your own admission: Jennings was rated higher on your list than a post-Takam Chisora and Martin was rated higher on your list than Takam. So Ortiz has beat better men than Chisora and Takam according to you, stopping both.

 

You didn’t explain anything, it was a few paragraphs of nonsense and in no way justified how wilder is somehow according to you “50/50 against any heavy in history”

 

The first Fury fight Wallin as a spot pick gone wrong. Saw that Fury looked out shape and poor in his first two fights out of retirement against low level journeymen. His team thought easy pickings and even Furys team said anyone half decent would beaten Fury in that shape. Wilder himself in an interview admitted that at the time of making first fight he turned down more money to fight AJ to fight Fury. Spot pick gone wrong.

Apart from Fury consisted of low level opposition such as Stiverne x 2, Dauhaupas, Scott, Molina, Brezeale, Spzilka, Ortiz and Washington.


Whilst avoiding all the top HWs at the time such as Wlad, AJ, Povetkin, Parker, Whyte, Ruiz etc.

Wilder only fought to proven world level legit boxers in Fury and Parker and he lost to both of them.

 

Boring, crap fight, Wilder should be banned from ever fighting a top 10 heavyweight again, lol