where would wallin rank on joshuas best wins

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  1. GBoxingFeed

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    exactly the same as mine :beer-toast1:
     
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  2. subzero_cold

    subzero_cold Boxing Enthusiast banned Full Member

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    Nah, that's not how I saw it. And one judge, it was a split decision. Gassiev was the one trying to win and scoring the more effective shots. Wallin was pitty patty tapping and running. Gassiev definitely landed the better shots.

    In actual fact contrary to the western world, in the Russian boxing scene. most people also had Gassiev winning

    Here's a few quotes from the website athletistic:

    Kostya Tszyu '' I don’t think it’s a defeat.” you saw the fight yourself. I think Murat won. the fight was very balanced. Murat is still young, of course he should continue to compete in the heavyweight division,''

    Alexander Besputin “Murat deserved to win, I’m upset and devastated, like they didn’t raise their hand to me.” ''I’m going to say one thing! it’s a shame! i supported Murat a lot! he is a very worthy guy and deserves this victory, there are no words! i’m shocked and devastated, as if they didn’t raise their hand!''

    Denis Lebedev “It is not for nothing that there were disagreements in the judgment; one judge saw it his way, others saw it differently. The battle was close, some saw Gassiev’s victory, others saw the enemy’s victory. If I were a judge, I would give it to Murat.

    Vitaly Slanov (Gassiev's trainer) “Why challenge the judges’ decision now? I was sure we won eight rounds, that’s for sure. He backed away, didn’t even throw a full jab. Once in a round he hit the eye, and that’s it. I think Murat “He won very convincingly. A call? This is a question for leaders,”

    Grigory Drozd “Gassiev acted very simply, but I don’t understand how it was possible to give victory to Wallin, who did not attack at all”
    “I had the feeling that Murat was boxing to win. What did Wallin do? He wiped the ropes throughout the fight, essentially coming out to defend himself. He did not carry out a single separate attack. I don’t understand how you can give victory to a boxer who doesn’t attack at all, but who just defends. Yes, Murat probably could not deliver a single strong blow, but he had the initiative. Of course, if he continues to box in this style, then he has few prospects. Everything is very simple and monotonous. After the third round, it was clear what Wallin was doing: waiting, hands in the air and turning to the right. Was it really impossible to understand this? Murat acted very simply and clearly. Wallin – strict, cowardly, with good defense. This turned out to be a strange fight,”
     
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  3. John Dupee

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    Seriously weak lol.

    Citing judges - not a very strong argument considering how corrupt and inept judges are. I thought this would probably be the weakest argument that you could come up with, but then you decided to round up accounts of people close to Gassiev, as if that has any validity.

    You say that Gassiev landed the better shots... lol. Which ones? He barely hit Wallin with any. This argument crumbles when you realise Wallin had Gassiev backing up like a scared little girl. People said Wallin could've got him out of there. I'm not sure about that because he didn't knock him down, he just had him cowering, but still, Gassiev was unable to get Wallin in any sort of equivalent predicament.

    Boxing is about hitting and not being hit. You just didn't want Wallin to beat Gassiev and that obscured your objectivity.

    Such a poor take, man. Made me laugh.
     
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  4. subzero_cold

    subzero_cold Boxing Enthusiast banned Full Member

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    LOL what you talking about. Wallin fought like a coward. Those pitty patty shots (in a boring running style) you could argue weren't even scoring shots. Wallin hurt him just ONCE in the whole fight. Wallin couldn't keep the fight in centre of ring, wasn't aggressive at all and Murat blocked plenty of his punches. He was running terrified of Gassievs power.

    Lebedev, Tszyu, Besputin ie - former world champions, and not close with Gassiev. I think they have more validity than you! :lol:

    It's what you like I suppose. But there's no way in a million years that was a clean sweep. Maybe a draw would've been fair too.
    Sounds like you're a fan of the Swedish Runner. Too boring of a fight to watch again.
     
  5. Wig

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    Wallin went toe to toe with prime Fury. Joshua ran scared for twelve rounds against a morbidly obese Mexican doughball.
     
  6. Mitch87

    Mitch87 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    In your opinion did Fury run scared of Wlad then? I mean AJ fought a much more offensive fight against Ruiz in second fight than Fury did against Wlad.
     
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  7. Redbeard7

    Redbeard7 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    He unironically quoted a bunch of Russians saying that Gassiev won, including Gassiev's trainer and a former opponent! He must have been born yesterday.
     
  8. KINGWILDER

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    Wallin’s performance against Fury is quite overblown. He landed some good shots and cut Fury but he lost comfortably. Joshua stayed behind his jab and boxed safe, so did Fury in the first Klitschko fight but I don’t see you mentioning that. You can’t have it both ways, otherwise you are just being a hypocrite.
     
  9. Wig

    Wig Boxing Addict Full Member

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    You're comparing ten year undefeated super champion VLADD in his own backyard, to a morbidly obese grinning mexican marshmallow man who lost to joey twelve parker. Don't do that again.
     
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  10. KINGWILDER

    KINGWILDER Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Point being stop hating on someone for ‘boxing safe’ while praising someone else for doing the same. You are an unobjective fan and an AJ hater, there’s no point debating with fanboys like yourself.
     
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  11. subzero_cold

    subzero_cold Boxing Enthusiast banned Full Member

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    Who cares if Lebedev was his former opponent LOL you mong, they aren't friends or gym mates or anything
     
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  12. subzero_cold

    subzero_cold Boxing Enthusiast banned Full Member

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    Yeah and most recently he ran scared running like a chicken from Gassiev.
     
  13. Wig

    Wig Boxing Addict Full Member

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    You always show up for the drama...
     
  14. Redbeard7

    Redbeard7 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    You have to be trolling, I don't believe you're this dumb. And if you are, you're not worth engaging anyway.
     
  15. John Dupee

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    Dude, any shot that lands clean is a scoring shot. Wallin did hurt him once in the whole fight, which is one more time than Gassiev hurt Wallin. You don't need to stand in the centre of the ring to win a boxing match lol. How many legends of the sport have boxed on the back foot and outboxed their opponent to a decision? Such a weird argument. Gassiev didn't look very powerful to me. He was plodding, didn't have much of an idea, and didn't hurt Wallin once. Answer this question and please don't ignore it: if Gassiev is so powerful and if he won the fight, that must have meant that he landed more punches than Wallin's soft punches, which was quite a lot, so how was he unable to even rock Wallin?
    Come on, dude. There's are three possible outcomes: Gassiev isn't very powerful, Gassiev didn't land many punches, or both. Which one is it?

    To have a valid argument, objectivity is required. They are clearly just as biased as yourself. 80% of the people I work with are Russian men, and none of the people that I spoke to, not even one, thought that Gassiev won. In fact, they thought he sucked and thought Wallin was just ok.

    I'm definitely not a fan of Wallin. I'm just someone who likes to watch boxing. I couldn't care less about fanboying over one boxer over another. Too old for that lol. It's just that your analysis sucks, man. Maybe take up slap fighting, might knock some sense into you.