Where would you rank Bud if he clears super-welterweight?

Crawford's Lineal achievements need context.

The only standout name he has beaten for Lineal titles was Errol Spence who was seriously compromised with the car crashes and being inactive.

The other fighters Crawford beat for Lineal titles were Ricky Burns who shouldn't of even been champion after a total gift draw vs Ray Beltran.

Viktor Postol is a decent name but nothing spectacular. And Danny Garcia was the original Lineal champion before he vacated. Postol vs Crawford was for the vacated Lineal championship so Crawford didn't actually beat the man so to speak.

Crawford's achievements without context look impressive but the names he has beaten all in all aren't that impressive.

 

Donaire was 36 for the first fight and judging by his performances before, after, and during that fight was very clearly not a shot opponent. He was enjoying a late-career renaissance and he himself says that during the WBSS tournament was the most motivated he had been since before his loss to Rigo. Inoue has a legend of the sport on his record. Crawford does not. Bud's resume pales in comparison to Inoue's. Donaire is multiple levels above Postol. Their resumes really aren't that comparable (but that's not the point of this thread so I'll leave it at that).

 

They absolutely are I agree.

 

I suppose maybe it’s the way he beats them that’s impressive imo.

So if he fought mayweather’s resume your saying Crawford likely wouldn’t have knock them out - & he would have to shoulder roll & do his best to not make a fight & out point them ala money may that is more impressive to you yeah?

 

Mayweather stopped plenty of opponents between Super Featherweight-Jr Welterweight. He was alot more aggressive and had many notable performances that showed his offence vs the likes of Corrales, Chavez, Corley, Gatti, Ndou, Manfredy, etc.

All you have to do is compare their opposition there really is no contest......

Mayweather's Best Wins

Jose Luis Castillo x2
Diego Corrales
Ricky Hatton
Miguel Cotto
ODLH
Angel Manfredy
Jesus Chavez
Marcos Maidana x2
Shane Mosley
Juan Manuel Marquez
Canelo Alvarez
Genaro Hernandez

Crawford's Best wins

Errol Spence
Yuriorkis Gamboa
Ricky Burns
Ray Beltran
Viktor Postol
John Molina Jr
Jeff Horn
Amir Khan
Kell Brook
Shawn Porter
Israil Madrimov

Mayweather's opposition is leaps and bounds better than Crawford's and i don't even like Mayweather.

 

Based upon who's there now. The top 6 or 7 guys are all very good. There are a couple of divisions where the top 3 or 4 are very good but 154 has loads of youngish talent that appear to prefer to fight rather than talk about fighting. Which other division currently boasts this combination of attributes?

 

Pretty boy Floyd was the man
money may no so much for me.

Agreed mayweather’s resume is better

However The on paper accomplishments might not be.

Crawford to me is the better fighter more exciting fighter through out the entirety of his career.

 

Four after what his corner let Crawford do to him.

 

Wasn't Greb blind most of his career? I have his newest book by Compton and it alludes to that.

Also - Most at ringside were also incredibly racist at the time and gave Greb the benefit of the doubt many times against colored fighters.

 

Greb turned pro in 1913 and started experiencing sight issues in 1921 after being thumbed by Kid Norfolk. Reporters of the time weren't blinded by race when it came to scoring fights most often (most thought Flowers was robbed badly against white multi-weight champ Mickey Walker for example). Greb wasn't even that much of a fan-favourite for his era iirc and his legacy wasn't as fondly looked upon then as it is today even.

 

Gamboa, Burns, Postol, porter, Brook, Khan, Benavidez, Spence and 2 strong names at 154 wouldn't compare to Floyd's - Hernandez, manfredy, Corrales, Castillo 2x, MarqueZ, Chavez, Judah, Mosley, Pacquiao, Hatton, Cotto, Delahoya, Maidana 2X, Canelo

 

The excitement factor isn't Floyd's fault because of his hands. That really is out of his control.

 

Just as the resume isn’t crawford’s fault
Outside factors affect all.

 

Context man, context.

If Bud fully unifies LMW he's beaten every title holder from LWW to LMW. Plus he beat the two best lightweights back to back.

Somewhere above Floyd but below Pac for me.

 

His resume isn't terrible, just not as good as Floyd's..