Discussion in 'Classic Boxing Forum' started by McGrain, Dec 3, 2017.
Cotto was a very good fighter, Ortiz was a great one ,there is clear distance between them.
Better than DeJesus, nah...
Not sure, while I admit I actually didn't have Cotto in my pound for pound top hundred and in the Lightweight is most likely a stronger competition than in the Light-Welterweight (where are both top 15, but not 10 in my opinion) or even Light-Middleweight. While the Welterweight is comparable rather, although Cotto isn't top 25 in it, but placed around McGirt, de la Hoya, Duran, Milton (a bit behind Forrest and Pacquaio) among others (place 30 - 40). On the other hand was he in some more weight-classes successful (almost equal in all, except the Middleweight), while Ortiz specialiast for the Lightweight and is at Light-Welterweight possible lower ranked than Cotto at Light-Middleweight.
Add the likes of Cocoa Kid, Sixto Escobar, Rosario, Vasquez, Basora etc and I think that top ten is a potentially tough ask depending on how you look at things (though admittedly I haven't made detailed comparisons to some of these guys achievements).
I always liked Cotto from his early days even though he was ridiculously overrated and hyped up with the type of backing and support that would make some of the other lads in this discussion sick with envy.
Good steady pressuring footwork and ability to cut off the ring aligned to a respectable offensive arsenal - nice array of textbook punches thrown with good timing, technique and respectable power, especially the left hook ( to head and body both). Turned that shot over really nicely with good pivot and torque. Could box and move a bit too when he wanted/needed to.
That said, mediocre punch resistance and stamina on top of poorish defensive reflexes/technical ability and a lack of composure under heavy fire really worked against him imo. Just not the type of weaknesses you can afford to have against better opponents when applying pressure is your game. That said, he partially compensated by being brave as feck with plenty of fighting spirit and proving he could come back from serious hearings.
He wasn't the man either at 140, 147 etc. Just a good splinter titleiist in a **** poor era, which would have likely made him a contender rather than champions in previous times. Still, did very well to knock off decrepit Martinez in such clear fashion, though Martinez himself was overrated imo, and make himself the man at 160 for a brief time.
In a deeper welter era, I think he'd be more of a good secondary contender than a serious threat to most genuinely excellent/great fighters. Good enough to probably earn a decent ranking and title shot in several eras, especially if more surrounded by competition in the boxer-mover type mould rather than pressure fighters or offensively talented, hard-hurting boxer punchers, in which case I see him struggling. Not a fifteen round fighter either for sure. He'd probably notch up impressive wins mixed in with decisive losses against stylistic foils. Put him in the seventies for example and I could maybe see him giving someone like Hedgemon Lewis real trouble but being ground down and eventually run over by someone like Palomino, who was a better version of Margarito.
Good/very good fighter at his best but nothing special. I hated seeing Pac and the cheat beat him down and thought he gave Mayweather a fine run for his money despite being somewhat faded.
Nice to see Herbert Hardwicke mentioned!