Where would you rank Hasim Rahman among all-time heavyweights ?

I wouldnt hes average.

 

top 50

 

I'm guessing that this is some sort of survey to discredit Vitali Klitschko. A week ago, Sonny's jabberouski had a two day long argument with Mendoza on the thread which I started entitled " how would Vitali Klitscko do against some of the all time greats?"

Sonny validly pointed out that Hasim Rahman had a better resume because he beat a younger version of Corrie Sanders than Vitali did along with Lennox Lewis, whom Klitschko couldn't beat at all. I think the general gist of this game is, you rate Rahman ( presumably low ) and Sonny tallies up your ratings and rates Vitali even lower. I think I get it.

The problem here, is that no one ever rated Vitali Klitscko highly from a legacy perspective. My only point with that other thread, was to make a case for him being a tough customer on a head to head basis with some ( not all ) of the legendary great fighters of the past.

With all the above said, I would rate Rahman rather low. Sure he had some very good wins like Sanders, Lewis, and a few others who were OK, but he also had some bad losses, and failed to beat Maskaev on two occasions. Vitali would have to be rated a bit higher having a significantly better record without ever having been genuinely dominated.

 

Top 100 (for all time heavyweights)
Near the bottom for heavyweight champions/title holders

 

Higher than Vitali because of his achievements, but not very high anyway.

 

Is this thread for real?

 

Probably above Tony Tucker for a start, but below Bepi Ros. :yep

 

Among the heavyweight champions, I'd say he's definitely on his way to finishing inside the bottom 10. Out of all heavyweights in history, I doubt he'll make the top 50, or even top 75.

 

I don't..............

 

I lean toward the very bottom of the top 50.

A quick case for Rhaman who is now 45-6-2. 45-6-2 is a very good ring record.

1 ) He owns a knockout win over Lewis. Lewis is seen as a top 15 all time great by just about everyone and a top 10 all time great by most. Even a biased old timer like Sugar, who has Lewis at 12 or 13 hints he might move up.

2 ) He owns a knock out win over Corrie Sanders, who for arguments sake is a top 100 heavyweight. Rhaman showed heart and got off the floor to win.

3 ) Rhaman was robbed in a draw vs Tua, who for argument's sake is a top 50 all time heavyweight. Rhaman was the better. The decsion should have been his.

4 ) Rahman was robbed in a draw vs James Toney. Rhaman was the better. The decsion should have been his.

5 ) His TKO loss to Tua is controversial, as Tua landed a hard hook about 2 seconds after the bell, and Rhaman could not recover. Rahman was up on points before this event.

If things were fair in square, Rhaman owns a win over Tua and Toney, and possibly a NC in the Tua loss. While this does not excuse poor showings vs Ruiz, or Holyfield, I think Rhaman has done enough to rank in the top 50.

 

Some good points, but i find it hard to say "he's top50" or "top75". I'd have to take a look at a decent top50 or top75 before making up my mind on that.

I do think there will be little between, say, a #40 and a #60.