Where Would you Rate Manny if He Beat Cotto-Martinez Winner for Lineal MW Title?

Hey guys.

Don't consider robberies. I'm sure you all count Whitaker's victory over Chavez, a win for Whitaker..so double standards please guys!
Consider that Manny certainly IS past prime now, just like Cotto and Martinez. But they have a sheer size advantage to make up for that.

Flyweight to Middleweight. That is actually unreal. That win would be one of the very best in history, and I'd rate him probably in the...I don't know yet.

W Cotto-Martinez at Middleweight
W BarreraX2
W Morales II
W BradleyX2
W Margarito
W Sasakul
W Hatton
W Cotto
W Clottey
W Lehwaba
W Other good wins i.e Diaz, Mosley
D MarquezX3
L Marquez
L Morales
L Two bums when he was a malnourished little kid.

So he beat great/very good names, carried his power and abilities all the way.

Notes:
Consider Manny has been slipping since 2011, and now has past prime victories over someone who will most probably carve out a HOF career in Timothy Bradley.

Marquez was most definitely on roids, let's be honest about this, in the 4th fight, and now has acne on his chest in his recent fight the other day (something he's never had), since working with Heredia (a dodgy guy with a bad track record).

Oscar De La Hoya victory doesn't count at all in my opinion.

Admit it if Clottey was at 147lbs today, he'd be pretty damn good. He's very underrated.

Sasakul was a beast - Manny fought him in Sasakul's prime and beat him easy.

Margarito was at 150lbs, whilst Manny was at 144lbs. Margarito looked huge on fight night.

Cotto said he had absolutely zero problems making the weight.

Hatton had a winning streak after losing to Mayweather, but Pacquiao-Hatton ended in a way which we know would have been the case if Hatton hadn't lost to Mayweather, it was brutal.

For fairness to both parties, I called the first 3 fights with Marquez a draw, because whoever has it 115-113 to either of them are correct. The fact is, they were even fights.

 

The fight would most likely take place at 155 or 156lbs, but Cotto is not exactly real middleweight size is he, and Martinez can make 154lbs quite comfortably.

Where do you have him right now in your rankings?

 

Both are old, but that's a big point, they're both old. One isn't prime.

Martinez was willing to come down to 150lbs to fight Mayweather, although I think Martinez thinks Pacquiao is too small, I still think it's possible.
Right now, Pacquiao is near the 40th mark in my rankings. This victory though would be absolutely colossal.

 

I can see where you're coming from, after all, Cotto really isn't a middleweight. I think Pacquiao has slipped from ATG level to HOF level in terms of H2H ability.

In my opinion, Martinez lost a close fight against Martin Murray, who is no slouch.

So, given that both have faded, Manny vs say, Martinez, who'd come into the ring at 168-173lbs ish, would be quite the beast.

Martinez doesn't want to fight GGG at this stage of his career, he said he didn't want to put himself up for that (pretty much), and his manager also said that he's making sure Martinez avoids Golovkin.

As for Spartacus, lol I'm a huge fan. I've watched all of the seasons at least 2 or 3 times. Whenever I'm on my study break or something, just pop an episode on. The acting, the scenery, the insight into life in ancient Rome, the drama, the fighting, the fact that the essence of it was based in real life - thus the virtues these great warriors expressed etc. a great show! How about you?

I haven't forgotten you, AlFrancis and your father - prime Lionel Rose conquerer, the true Bantam lineal champ.

 

That's one thing I never personally understood but would like to understand (it's my elementary failure here)...

Take say, Canelo Alvarez. Canelo was pretty much a light heavyweight during fight night, whereas Mayweather was a full on welterweight. If this match happened during the days of the same day weigh-ins, would Mayweather really be fighting a light heavyweight, or did fighters used to drain during the same day to take away, say, 4lbs+ for example?

 

Thanks, I wonder how many pounds fighters usually drain down to on average..because for all we know, Alvarez could have been fighting at 168lbs if he was born a few decades ago.

I'll tell you though, I don't like notorious weight cutters, that's one reason why someone like Rigondeaux is one of my very favourite fighters. He only weighs 2lbs more on fight night.