Whether you love Pac or hate him - will ANYONE EVER do what he's done again (fw-lmw)?

Pac weighs above 140 on fight night ever since he was fighting at 130 lbs, Divac. Pacquiao's walk around weight is near 150, he drains a lot fighting at lower weights. It's not like Pacquiao becomes a middleweight all of a sudden! JMM fights at 126 but enters the ring near lww's, at 130 he is a welter at fight night! so is he juicing too? Pacquiao is a small welterweight trying to make weight to fight at lower divisions just like JMM, Floyd and other boxers out there. Had Pacquiao weigh 165, then that's suspicious but he did not, the guy can't barely weigh above 148 on fight night! it's all documented! The only fighters who don't divulged their fight night weights are Floyd & DLH, aren't you suspicious about them?

 

Idiot. Look at your hero, most overrated boxer in modern history.

 

it's gonna be difficult to duplicate or surpassed, a lot of fighters can have the chance to do it but it won't be easy, take a look at Mexico's finest... JCC Sr., Barrera, JMM, Morales, Montiel etc., they all have difficulties getting their 4th division title.. They had their chances but always fell short.

 

The thread is about Pacquiao not Floyd.

 

Who the **** cares what he weighed fightnight, the point is he was good to go making these weight limits.

Fighters like Marquez and Morales also weighed in the 140's fightnight when they were fighting as 130 pounders, you dont see them now fighting and dominating at 147 lbs.

In fact, both Marquez and Morales looked proportionately bigger than Pacquiao at both 126 lbs and 130 lbs, yet its the smaller looking fighter now in Pacquiao, shooting up to 147 lbs and dominating fighters that are officially weighing 15 lbs heavier than he is fightnight.

.....and thats the bottom line!deal:deal

 

I wont breakdown your post because there is nothing there to break down. It does'nt make any sense.

 

Maybe because your post doesn't really prove anything Divac? :huh

 

5-6 weight class title is doable. 7-8 will be very hard but who knows? Someday somebody could probably do it.

 

Because of his talent So many boxer pac face has said he doesn't punch hard. Delahoya-Margarito-diaz-morales etc. It's his speed that bother them. And that's how pac has been beating these bigger guys with his speed. :hi:

 

for a fair comparison with the greats from the past, consider this. pacquiao has been the lineal champ in two of the original eight weight classes. off the top of my head, the following were lineal champs in three of the original eight:

fitzsimmons, armstrong and duran (although the middleweight lineage is debateable)

as 140 is historically the most significant 'new' division, you could call it three divisions. off the top of my head canzoneri and ross also have that distinction (three divisions including 140).

i'm not saying pacquiao's achievements aren't amazing, just saying that that list you posted could do with a little historical context. also, hearns is at number 3 on your list, but really, he was never a lineal champion (although, like with duran, he was the middleweight champion during at a tricky juncture for that division's lineage).

 

Not every boxer is the same. Just because Marquez and Morales reached their ceiling at a certain weight, doesn't mean Pacquiao should have. In fact, Pacquiao reached his limit in his last bout. Great athletes surpass the norm.

Every boxer is different, some boxers stick in the same division for their whole careers, some can only manage two...whereas others can manage 5-6, etc weight classes. Pacquiao starting off very early is one of the main reasons he has so many divisions under his belt...also, having unbelievable speed, being unorthodox, showing great heart and an unbelievable desire to win is what has gotten him to this point.

The best opposition he fought was the Barrera's, the Morales', the Marquez's, etc...his opposition after that (taking into consideration the point in their careers they were at)...doesn't come close to those guys. Cotto being the nearest to those guys.

Pacquiao is beating these heavier guys by speed and movement, that is pretty clear...and with some very decent pop on his punches, he is able to dominate them. First and foremost, they are having trouble with his speed. If Marquez had the hand and foot speed Pacquiao possessed, I would probably say he would have a decent chance at holding his own against these bigger guys Pacquiao is destroying.

Pacquiao has always had the hand speed, workrate, and unorthodox angles he is showing against these bigger guys, it's just more obvious and exaggerated because of the difference in size and speed. The bigger guys have never seen speed like it, which was why Cotto got reckless, which was why Clottey covered up...and Margarito is so unbelievable slow himself, he couldn't react quicker enough half the time.

Pacquiao's opposition 130 and below, easily beats his opposition at 135 and above.

Also, fight night weight is very relevant. You claimed he jumped up 17lbs in a matter of years...no he didn't, he had always naturally been at that weight, he just needed to lose less during training camp...which in turn allowed more time for Roach to work on him overall, which is also why Pacquiao has shown great improvement over the last couple years.

 

Exactly on the highlighted......that statement only serves to weaken your argument if you're assuming Pacquiao is PED free.......

Tell me, what fighter in history in his 20's who was fighting as low as Pacquiao was at the 112 lbs range, ever fought and was competive as a welterweight, much less dominate the weight class??????

I just checked Roberto Duran's record, and like Mayweather, he was already a lightweight as a 20 year old.

Henry Armstrong who Pacquiao is often compared to fought mostly as a 130 pounder as a 20 year old, and occasionally went down to 126 lbs in his very early 20's.


Pacquiao fought as low as 112 lbs in his 20's and to go up and physically dominate strong and solid welterweight and have to hear from Pacquiao, "believe me my power is natural?"

......are you ****ing kidding me?:nut

Lets get real here people, in this very forum every ****ing ******* thought Pacquiao was pushing the limit when he climbed up to fight as a lightweight........the PED user has gone on to fight a 150 pound Margarito.:yikes

......"believe me, my power is natural.":nut

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