Which active HW has a chance to become the 2nd best heavyweight of all time?

If JDS beats Overeem and the Barnett v Cormier winner he overtakes CroCop and would be ranked in my top 3, possibly even at 2 above Nog. It will mean he has beaten the best Jiu Jitsu fighter, best striker and best wrestler in the current heavyweight division. That would be an incredible feat. It will take longevity to better Fedors placing at number 1, but it's not impossible.

 

deal:deal

 

All in their primes

Fedor
Igor
Nog
Barnett
Overeem
CroCop
Tim Sylvia


and more that I cant recall of the top of my head.

 

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I don't think that wins over Sapp, Horn, Inoue and Schaub do much to further his candidacy. Sapp sucked, Horn is a Middleweight, Inoue was past his sell date and on a losing streak and Schaub hasn't proven anything yet.

 

Yeah, Sapp sucked, in hindsight. He never developed and ultimately was a failure, much like Lesnar. However, he was undoubtedly feared as hell when Nog fought him, and brought a lot to the table. He'd won his first two fights by immediate KO, and there's not many fighters who would've been able to deal with him at that time, as proven by the performance he turned in against the #2 hw OAT. Sapp managed to secure some very good wins in his kickboxing career, he may not have been as good as other behemoths like Lesnar and Sylvia, but he was still a very dangerous and difficult opponent at the time, and it was still a great victory.

Horn (despite being a great fighter in his own right IMO) and Inoue weren't particularly great wins, but they were still decent ones IMO. Schaub is no great shake, but I still count it as a very good win considering where Nog was at the time. Schaub had KO'd Crocop and beaten Gonzaga not long before, and was a TUF finalist. I think most people expected Nog to get stomped, good win.

 

For a lesser fighter, yeah Sapp (at that time) was a threat; but for a guy like Nogueira, who scares ghosts not the other way around, it was a complete mismatch and he knew it. Sapp has no gas, Nog knew that. Sapp is one dimensional and Nog knew that.

I agree with Horn and Enson, but still, good wins don't matter for too much on a p4p basis. Ali wasn't greater because he beat Quarry and Chuvalo, he was greater because he beat Frazier and Foreman and Liston. You only go to guys like Horn when someone else has the top heavy resume that Nog has. Since nobody other than Fedor really has that, it doesn't matter much at this point.

Crocop is a good win, but Schaub hasn't beaten a top talent who's at or near top form. Crocop simply isn't the same fighter and Gonzaga's head has been ****ed since Couture (4-5 since then). The only other good resume name he has is Nelson and he lost. All he is right now is some raw potential.

 

Er, have you actually seen the fight?

I was listing what I consider his good wins. You seem to have been doing something different. :good

Agreed. But I still think a borderline shot Nogueira knocking him out in 1 round was impressive. I value it as a very good past-prime victory.

 

I was referencing the difference in talent and intelligence, not the actual fight - against your point that going into the fight, Sapp wasn't found to be a fraud yet.

I approach it from the perspective that you're a car salesman giving away a free toaster with a car when the prospective client was already willing to sign on the dotted line without any further enticement.

We differ on the value of the win, then. I'd like to see more from Schaub to think Nogueira, even at this point, had to go uphill a little to get a win over him.

 

No!!!!!!!! Look at where Coleman and Filipovic were when Nog stopped them. A lot of Fedors wins had already been beaten by Nog. Take a look.

Nogs PRIME losses were Fedor x2 (GOAT), Barnett ( SD. Rematch UD for Nog). The Henderson fight was very early in his career and it was an SD He avenged that too but Henderson wasnt a natural heavy.

That said JDS WILL KO Overeem:bbb