Which ATG do you think does the worst head to head overall?

Dempsey.

 

I'd pick Patterson but if we're going by Top 10...lemme remind myself of my top 10. I'll include #11 Tyson because I know a lot of guys like to keep him in the top 10. I don't know much about Jack Johnson so I can't talk about him or rate him.

1. Ali (.5) - maybe loses to Louis (50/50)
2. Louis (.5)- maybe L to Ali (50/50)
3. Liston (2) - L to Ali, Louis
4. Holmes (4) - L to Ali, Louis, Liston, Frazier
5. Foreman (5) - L to Ali, Louis, Liston, Holmes, Holyfield
6. Lewis - (5.5) L to Ali, Louis, Liston, Holmes, Foreman, maybe Tyson
7. Dempsey (7) - L to Ali, Louis, Liston, Holmes, Foreman, Lewis, Tyson
8. Holyfield (6.5) - L to Ali, Louis, Liston, Holmes, Dempsey, Marciano, maybe Frazier (50/50)

9. Marciano (7.5) - L to Ali, Louis, Liston, Holmes, Foreman, Lewis, Dempsey (50/50), Tyson
10. Frazier (5.5) - L to Louis, Liston, Foreman, Lewis, maybe Dempsey, Tyson
11. Tyson(6.5) - L to Ali, Louis, Liston, Holmes, Foreman, Lewis (50/50), Holyfield

My votes goes to Patterson first and then Marciano. Seeing how all the ATGs have so many predicted losses to each other - Mike Tyson was spot on when he was asked who'd win between Louis and Ali (or some other great fighters) - he said that on any night...any of the great fighters could beat the other and vice versa...

 

Going by my top 15 HW's: I think Marciano would fare better than Dempsey in a head to head sense, though I realise I might be in the minority with that view.

 

I disagree with you by a hair...7.5 vs 7...it can easily be switched by one difference in opinion for a particular fight. The great fighters could beat the others and vice versa on any given night...this thread illustrates that well...so it's hard to give a wrong answer

 

Certainly not a weak fighter, but i would go with Foreman. Reason being that his high ranking is mostly because of two great wins over stylistically perfect matchups (Frazier & Norton) and a great comeback win (Moorer). Those do a lot for his legacy, but regarding his ability against skilled boxers or punchers, i'd have some question marks.

 

Patterson at heavy maybe, but he'd be an absolute nightmare for any light heavy.

 

I do not like Ricardo Lopez's chances against Ali, Louis, Foreman, Moore, Charles, Robinson......

 

Ken Norton.

I wish there was a prize for this.

 

:nono

Standards please, Kenny Norton was a fine fighter, but he was hardly an 'all-time great'!

 

If Kenny Norton posts on ESB he would have our undivided atention.

 

Yes, but so would many fighters, it still does not necessarily make them great.

It just means that many in this forum are part of the boxing fancy, who respect the sport and its participants.

 

That is a good choice.

 

It pains me to say it but Pac...

His weight jumping has seen him go through some historically pretty talent rich divisions.

At the very best I see him being top 5 H2H at superbantem..which would probably be the youngest and most talent thin divisions he has camped at.

I cant see him cracking top 10 at fly, feather or superfeather...Lightweight and jnr welter ***et about it.

 

Hearn's at the higher weight classes. At MW plenty of fighters who can bully him and have the chin/heart to hang in there are going to get to him.

That's more or a result of him climbing so ridiculously high in weight then anything else, though.