Which ATG fighters didn't manipulate their weight ?

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  1. Unforgiven

    Unforgiven VIP Member banned Full Member

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    Boxers have been "cutting weight" ever since weight classes were invented. Manipulating their weight to 'cheat' their way into smaller classes then put the weight back on in the hours before the fight. But not all fighters do this. Some just fight in the class that corresponds to their true weight.

    Which ATGs do you feel could make weight at the opening bell ?
    Which ATGs actually did officially weigh in at ringside just before their fights ?
     
  2. AlFrancis

    AlFrancis Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    If they can do the weight and still come in strong there boxing in the right weight class. Post same day weigh ins most fighters seem to be doing it.
     
  3. LittleRed

    LittleRed Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Joe Gans was forced to weigh in ringside against Nelson wasn't he?
     
  4. Wass1985

    Wass1985 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    If I fighter is able to deplete his body to make weight yet still go on to defeat his opponent then fair play to him, still think they should be weighed in on the day of the fight though.
     
  5. stevo1966

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    Hagler was pretty consistant, knew his fighting weight and didn't need to dry out to make it. I think Herol Graham was also a natural middle, if not an ATG. Both looked ripped at the weight but not emaciated and bone dry like say Hopkins did.
     
  6. OvidsExile

    OvidsExile At a minimum, a huckleberry over your persimmon. Full Member

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    I don't put much stock into: Hearns, Arguello, Foster, and Saddler, those ATG punchers because the secret of their power appears to be that they just figured out how to fight 30 pounds south of a normal weight and retain their muscle and stamina. If you take guys like that out of the mix along with a lot of weight climbers who are only climbing to a normal weight for a man of their proportions and you don't get a lot of takers.

    Ray Robinson and Ray Leonard were always going to be middleweights, so I discount their achievements at welterweight.

    Benny Leonard and Marvin Hagler don't appear to have played any tricks with the scales. They were a lightweight and a middleweight respectively, and that's where they fought.

    What you want is either a normal sized guy for his division who spends his whole career in one division or a diminutive guy who climbs weights to be fighting fighters who dwarf him like Duran, Walker, or Armstrong.
     
  7. OvidsExile

    OvidsExile At a minimum, a huckleberry over your persimmon. Full Member

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    I have a lot of reservations about Hopkins. Fights his first fight at light heavyweight and loses. Then he moves down to middleweight for a decade where he has a couple of inches of height and reach over all his opponents. Then he moves back to light heavyweight and nobody can believe it. I believed it. I thought he should have fought there his whole career. It kind of looked like a duck, him staying so low when Roy Jones, James Toney, Joe Calzaghe, and all those other stars he was the same size as fought in the divisions above him.

    That reminds me, James Toney and Chris Byrd deserve more respect for what they accomplished. They probably both could have fought their whole careers at light heavyweight but chose to fight the big boys.
     
  8. N_ N___

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    I don't like that idea. The fighters need to be protected from entering the ring dehydrated. A day can help a lot.
     
  9. Unforgiven

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    Yes, it has always been common to some extent, and the "norm" even, that's why I'm asking which fighter DID NOT do it. :good
     
  10. Unforgiven

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    Well, they will just have to move up a weight class or two. :good
     
  11. Unforgiven

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    I believe so.
    Sounds fair to me.
    Unless Nelson didn't have to.
    I think they were making 133 too, the lightweight limit at the time.
     
  12. Unforgiven

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    I think when it comes to all-time rankings and these discussions on "fantasy ATG match-ups" people tend to ignore the fact that some fighters were making weight ringside while others were manipulating their weight and weighing in a few hours earlier, or even a day or more before !

    There's a big difference between a man who makes 133 at ringside a few minutes before the fight and a man who makes 135 midday the day before the fight.
     
  13. Quick Cash

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    Hopkins has paid the cost in keeping fit. He was no bigger than Hagler or Monzon come fight time. To name another example, Greb weighed in a pound heavier than Hopkins' debut weight at 22. Hopkins was 23 for Clinton Mitchell.
     
  14. turpinr

    turpinr Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Ken buchanan was a natural lightweight and isn't much heavier now.jimmy Wilde could have fought at light fly if they'd had that division then.
     
  15. turpinr

    turpinr Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Henry Armstrong had to prove he could hit 140 so he could fight Barney Ross at 147.
    Reverend Henry was a real tiny welterweight