Which beating was worse for Miranda? Pavlik or Abraham?

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  1. Amsterdam

    Amsterdam Boris Christoff Full Member

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    Pavlik gave him a worse beating, but all that proves is that Abraham punches harder like many have said all along. Pavlik beat the snot out of Miranda, but Abraham was the more impressive fighter, easily disposing of him without much work, barely breaking a sweat.

    Pavlik had to work hard for it, even got stunned and had a little bit of a war in some rounds, Abraham just felt him out, let him get comfortable and sparked him.

    So you fail in justifying that Pavlik is the superior.:good
     
  2. québecwarrior

    québecwarrior Georges 'Rush' St-Pierre Full Member

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    well we can say that it took 2 fight to Abraham to do it
    Maybe Kelly would beat him faster in a rematch, who knows?
     
  3. Amsterdam

    Amsterdam Boris Christoff Full Member

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    Abraham was on his way in the first to getting a 5th-7th round KO on Miranda prior to the injury. So sure, it took two tries, but a fresh Abraham coming to Miranda's terms, at a weight Miranda felt better suited at destroyed him with ease.

    Abraham was schooling him in the first prior to the jaw being broken, less struggle than pavlik still.

    How would Pavlik perform with a broken jaw that horrific with his wide open defence? I wouldn't assume very well.
     
  4. Tom_Tocca

    Tom_Tocca The Provider Full Member

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    Pavlik's - he didn't took a beating from AA because it just took 5-6 hard punches from Arthur to beat him into submission - Pavlik pounded with nearly 10 times the punches on him than Abraham.

    AA might destroy your psyche as a fighter but Pavlik breaks you even more physically...
     
  5. O-HIGH-O

    O-HIGH-O Team Pavlik Full Member

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    pavlik took his time and punished miranda
     
  6. Decebal

    Decebal Lucian Bute Full Member

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    Clearly Abraham! Miranda himself said both before and after the second Abraham fight that he had prepared better than ever for that fight and was in perfect physical and mental shape. He had always complained that he was dehydrated against Pavlik. Against Abraham, he gave his very best and was stopped brutally. No excuses, against Abraham. By far the worst beating.
     
  7. jecxbox

    jecxbox St. Brett Full Member

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    He took FAR worse of a beating against Pavlik. This is not even close, you'd have to be slow in the head to think he took more damage with Abraham.


    Is the question in which fight did Miranda take more damage?

    Or

    Is the question which KO was more impressive?

    Impressive - Abraham
    Damage - Pavlik NOT EVEN CLOSE.
     
  8. Jackolythe

    Jackolythe Active Member Full Member

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    It depends. Are we counting both AA-EM fights or just the last one?
     
  9. curmudgeon

    curmudgeon Active Member Full Member

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    Was it a hook? Looked like a straight right.

    I like the 4th round. Miranda throws about 20 punches. AA throws a couple lazy jabs, then connects and Miranda is on his ass. Nice.
     
  10. Finn73

    Finn73 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Physically it was the KO by Pav and you can say that he also broke him psychologically, but for his career the easy KO by Abraham was worse...after all that trash talking by Miranda...oh my...talk is cheap! :)
     
  11. J.R.

    J.R. No Mames Guey Full Member

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    The Abraham KO ended quickly, while the Pavlik KO was prolonged and Miranda got a much more thorough beating. Plus, the Pavlik knockout sequence was much more brutal.

    In conclusion, Pavlik owns Miranda's ass. :yep
     
  12. jaois138

    jaois138 Dinamita Full Member

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    I liked Abraham's more. They both beat Miranda pretty bad though