Which Belt carries the LEAST Significance?

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  1. Robney

    Robney ᴻᴼ ᴸᴼᴻᴳᴲᴿ ᴲ۷ᴵᴸ Full Member

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    WBA... They made a joke of themselves the last decade.
     
    Robney, Jul 26, 2011
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  2. Peril

    Peril The Scholar Full Member

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    The way I see it, the significance of the belt is determined not by it's age but rather buy it's method of appointing champions and the proud fighters that carry the belt. WBO was insignificant in the 90's but these men made it significant:

    Joe Calzaghe

    Wlad Klitschko

    Nonito Donaire

    Jorge Arce

    JMM

    Timothy Bradley

    and last and not least, Manny Pacquao.
     
    Peril, Jul 26, 2011
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  3. scurlaruntings

    scurlaruntings ESB 2002 Club Full Member

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    The WBU doesn't exist anymore. Anyone here remember the WBS? Aka the WBE? (World Boxing Syndicate/Empire) Their inaugural champ was....... wait for it.... drum roll please...... Mitch Green.
    Suffice to say they didn't last long and were absorbed i think by the United States Boxing Council. IIRC they actually tried to get Glen Johnson to pay a sanctioning fee for their belt. Johnson turned it down.

    WBB is the latest on the scene. Apparently they've been around since the early 90's. And yet Cotto is their first champion as the belt naturally was vacant when he fought Mayorga...

    http://www.fightnews.com/Boxing/cotto-first-wbb-champion-78531
     
    scurlaruntings, Jul 26, 2011
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  4. Peril

    Peril The Scholar Full Member

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    How ANYONE can count WBA as a serious organization is BEYOND ME.

    Let's have a look at their rankings shall we? What other organization has up to 4!!!!! world champions? Isn't the whole point of a sanctioning body to ESTABLISH THE STRONGEST CHAMPION? Not breed confusion with appointment of a whole production line of 1 time champs?

    The best of WBA FLOPS ARE:

    160 lbs: Sturm, Golovkin, Hasan Njdam w/e . 3 world champions in One weight, and the super champ only has one belt! What explanation could you possibly have for giving the super champ status to Sturm, who never unified?
     
    Peril, Jul 26, 2011
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  5. Keueng

    Keueng Boxing Addict Full Member

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    WBO = Frank ******'s belt or Sauerland's belt
     
    Keueng, Jul 26, 2011
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  6. Peril

    Peril The Scholar Full Member

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    And how can we forget the wonderful run of WBA heavyweight champs, where Valuev succeeded Ruiz, only to later be succeeded by Chagaev that fought utter bums, only later to be succeeded by Haye that fought even bigger bums?

    WBA HAD OWEN BECK AS A WORLD TITLE CHALANGER.
     
    Peril, Jul 26, 2011
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  7. The_President

    The_President Boxing Addict banned

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    Any of the Heavyweight belts, at the moment.
     
    The_President, Jul 26, 2011
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  8. popejking

    popejking Adamek Full Member

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    Not always. They have a rule that the chmapion may become the winner of #1 ranked fighter against #3 ranked fighter. So the #2 ranked fighter is being "ducked".
     
    popejking, Jul 26, 2011
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  9. scurlaruntings

    scurlaruntings ESB 2002 Club Full Member

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    Not really. The WBO was largely seen as a joke for some time. Their mandatorys were a complete farce and invariably their champs especially the likes of Calazghe, Artur Grigorian, Dariusz Michalczewski, Zsolt Erdei and Acelino Freitas spent long careers racking up wins against complete nobody's. It's only recently that the belt has had some merit which is primarily because of the alphabet mess as well as the WBO being 20 years old now. Historically their champs have always been of the weaker variety.
     
    scurlaruntings, Jul 26, 2011
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  10. scurlaruntings

    scurlaruntings ESB 2002 Club Full Member

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    No. The rule is there for special circumstances where the number 3 fighter by consensus may be deemed better than the number 2. I don't recall any fights though where this has been the case. The number 1 and number 2 and in rare cases 3 MUST fight in order to be viewed as the "Champion" at their weight. Sounds fare to me as that's how boxing used to be.
     
    scurlaruntings, Jul 26, 2011
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  11. Steenalized

    Steenalized Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    :patsch:roll:
     
    Steenalized, Jul 26, 2011
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  12. scurlaruntings

    scurlaruntings ESB 2002 Club Full Member

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    Somewhat ironic as that was Lennox Lewis's fault. Rather than face Ruiz and keep the title unified he relinquished the WBA instead. And we were treated to the epic trilogy of Holyfied Vs Ruiz as Don King tried in vain to hang on to a portion of the title. Was a dreadful time for heavyweight boxing.
     
    scurlaruntings, Jul 26, 2011
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  13. Peril

    Peril The Scholar Full Member

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    I am not arguing that their belt was a joke in the 90's, I've mentioned it recently. But right now they have the most legitimate champions out of the bunch in majority of weights, and as of late they have been spot on. Compare it to wba that has 3 champions in the same weight class, which one do you see as more legitimate?
     
    Peril, Jul 26, 2011
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  14. scurlaruntings

    scurlaruntings ESB 2002 Club Full Member

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    I wouldn't put that down to the WBO being any more honourable than the rest. They're all pretty much of a muchness.
     
    scurlaruntings, Jul 26, 2011
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  15. cesare-borgia

    cesare-borgia Übermensch in fieri Full Member

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    wba for sure, even if they are the oldest they are corrupt and have 70 champs per division.
    wbc gives belts to mexicans
    wbo not much history like the others but ok
    ibf the least messed up currently.
     
    cesare-borgia, Jul 26, 2011
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