Which boxer can bench the most?

Broner

 

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I live in the real world. There are other studies estimating that genetics account for 40% at best.

You just have to think for a second JG, how is performance ever improved if speed is predetermined?
You get plenty of football, Rugby players and you have them perform heavy strength training and ballistic training. They drastically improve their acceleration, 20 metre time, vertical jump etc. These are objective markers of speed, proven time and time again in response to training, in peer reviewed, scientific studies.
The reason why you haven't seen the improvements in hand speed from when they very first walked into the gym is because whoever was training them doesn't know anything about strength training or the human body. You're a good example, even in this day and age you think weights are useless. How is a boxer going to get more powerful if he has someone who doesn't believe in the training that achieves it and thinks that you either 'got it or you don't'?
Come on JG, get real pal.

 

The genetics play a very, very important role. Take a kid with natural speed or any other attribute and a kid with average speed (both same age,good health, height & weight) then train them about 2-3 years in athletics or other discipline ( the same type of training regime for both) and u will see that the natural gifted kid will progress far more than the average one. Even if the average kid will work harder than the natural gifted kid in increasing his speed, you'll notice that at a certain moment he won't make any more progresses.
Another important aspect IMO is the IQ of the individ. How fast/easy he learns and how fast he can improve himself ( his technique ).

Bolt could've not train ever and still be a fast guy in sprinting (of course not at pro level). There are lots of kids that they didn't train ever and are so damn ****ing fast. :yep

So, the natural gifts, the IQ and the devotament to your discipline can make u a champ IMO.

 

It's a combination of many factors. Find me one factor that can't be altered or improved? Therefore performance can always be improved.
Fibre type isn't as good at predicting sporting capability as it used to be thought, there's been elite athletes looked at and their fibre composition is unremarkable for their sport, even cases when they have a greater proportion of fibres that would suggest they wouldn't be suited for the sport they're in.

 

There's never been a boxer with more blinding hand speed than Camacho, Sr. No coach, guru, weight regime or diet could improve on that. Camacho, barely a 120 pounds, was a bully. He'd jump into the ring after just having mugged someone in street ('n stolen wallets from the lockers) and dazzled everyone in the gym.

Will stick with my conviction.

 

That's a nice story but it doesn't mean anything or change scientific evidence. Just because you believe something or don't know the reasons for something doesn't mean there isn't an answer or that you are right.
Learn a bit about skill acquisition and the nervous system and you might find an explanation there. Do you realise how many factors are there in the background that you're not privy to when you see a kid walk into a gym?

 

Not enough words to detect sarcasm or not, but his bench was lame lame lame. My god. I expected much more from a dominant athlete. His effort was not worth recording.

 

It was 100kg or so which is decent for his size, and he was just clowning for that video. Bench isn't the greatest exercise for a boxer anyway.

 

The greatest exercise for a boxer is sparring man.

 

I'll give my personal exemple. I have heavy hands although are not some big guns but my speed isn't very good. I've tried lots of training exercise to improve it but I have improved it only a little, so I have focused on develop my punching power and my timing. Drills & plyometrics are very good training exercise but if u aren't born with it (the speed) , it will be almost imposible to match your speed with speed of a guy whos born with it, no matter how hard u'll train.

Anyway, speed ain't **** if don't know how to use it, said uncle Roger. :yep

 

Definitely, it doesn't get more sports specific than that other than fighting. That gets you in fight condition better than anything else. But you can be in better fight condition and throw punches with a greater mean power and total power if you perform some smart training before you do your sports specific stuff.

 

I disagree, your speed is basically a byproduct of how you've trained. There's a genetic component but it's very small. I'll give a personal example now (not that it means anything). One of the guys who I've trained recently, was a slow runner as a kid. In primary school he was a B/C division runner in his own tiny school. He made the inter school long jump team one year but that was an anomaly. In high school he wasn't in any track team, started drinking, smoking etc. No interest in exercise or any sport. As he got to be an older teenager he sorted out some issues and decided to get fit. He couldn't even run around the oval without losing steam so he did intervals, not knowing what they were. He'd go down to the park a few times a week and do some sprints. Long story short he's now in the national training squad and runs the 100 metre in sub 10.5.
You often find that lazy/sedentary kids preserve more of their fast twitch fibres, ask any sprint coach and they'll tell you it's the lazy ones and the ones who do as little as possible that are fast.
The people with the lowest ratio of fast twitch fibres are generally active people, bodybuilders and elderly people.

Do you stretch a lot, run long distance often? If you do both of those a lot they may be slowing you down. Your tendons are responsible for a lot of your power so if you stretch a lot it's like stretching a rubber band, creating more slack. Stiff muscles are able to transfer forces to the tendons more quickly as well, there was a good study looking at black sprinters compared to white sprinters and the black sprinters had higher muscle stiffness, which was thought to be a reason for their superior performance.

 

But don't sprinters need flexible hamstrings :huh

 

They need dynamic flexibility and range of motion in their hamstrings, holding a stretch doesn't help anything. I should've clarified, too much static stretching.

 

What would be too much static stretching?