You are right, I just objected to "Punchy", I'm happy if Foley has an extra decade, he seems to be 61 in his last fight. Foley has quite a record for a bare-knuckle fighter, not losing a fight is something, of course there were quite a few better than larry, at least in my opinion. Foley's true greatness was that he taught Fitzsimmons and Jackson the finer points and all............ He ranks above Ambrose Palmer with those stellar names, but Palmer's list of national champions must almost be a world record.
Foley was never impressed with Fitz. Fitz did learn from Larry, although Larry was not inclined to waste weeks teaching.
Palmer trained few more than 20 individuel champions of national level at the standard weight catagories. Ern Mc and Keith Ellis surpass Palmer for champion fighters. For that duo, most had been well established prior to being housed in the 2 gymnamsiums. Keith will be known to hold 35+ champions. Ern Mc won't be far off. Ern was a terrible fighter theif. Tom Maquire might shade Palmer marginally too.
That's very interesting, I bet Larry was impressed in 1897 but, just imagine how much Fitz improved from those early days.
I thought that Ern learned his trade from Palmer, I thought I heard that,... it may be just legend but I was led to believe that Palmer not only made fighters, but also made many trainers. Also I heard something along the lines that there was a connection right through Australian boxing from Mace to Foley,...... then somehow the thread goes to Ambrose and then to the Rennies. Whatever the truth is, I can imagine that knowledge passes on from one generation to the next...... it's the anthropologist in me.
He was late 60s to late 90s but he was so close to making another comeback in the mid 2000s. He was training for it and lost a ton of weight but his wife talked him out of it. I dont remember the fight but he made a brief appearance back on HBO (this was after he quit/was made to quit) announcing with them and he looked like he was serious about it.