Which Boxers Have a Weakish Resume but are an all-time H2H Powerhouse?

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  1. Haggis McJackass

    Haggis McJackass Semi-neutralist Overseer Full Member

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    Which guys do you think "man, too bad he was in a crap era/was ducked by x and z/ducked x and z/caught his only two HOF opponents well past their prime" etc?

    But they still are very formidable opponents for far more accomplished men?

    I think one who stands out is Vitali. He has two losses, against a top-shelf fighter and a top-5 ATG. Both of them, he was ahead on the scorecards at the time of stoppage.

    Those are his two biggest fights. Vitali has no terrific victories on his resume.

    However, I think Vitali gives a LOT of ATGs HEAPS of trouble. Head to head, I don't think he is a sure victory for anyone in boxing history. He would give a lot of guys like Frazier and Liston fits, and take down more than a few of them, in my opinion.

    Who are the guys who you can think of who fit this category?

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  2. Pat_Lowe

    Pat_Lowe Active Member Full Member

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    Bob Foster for sure.
     
  3. JohnThomas1

    JohnThomas1 VIP Member

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    Can you go deeper Pat? Don't forget Bob wasn't beaten at 175 until his over the hill comeback, before that he was unbeaten there. His losses were all at heavyweight which i don't think impacts his 175 resume but i might be misunderstanding you.
     
  4. Sonny's jab

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    I think he means there are not many outstanding names on his win resume.
    His opposition at light-heavy.
     
  5. JohnThomas1

    JohnThomas1 VIP Member

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    That's why i added the last bit of my post. I feel it is indeed possible.
     
  6. JohnThomas1

    JohnThomas1 VIP Member

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    On second look he is labelling it a crap era which has been said before.
     
  7. SteveO

    SteveO MSW Full Member

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    Earnie Shavers?
     
  8. JohnThomas1

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  9. Mega Lamps

    Mega Lamps Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Hearns and the overrated Jones, although his chin may let him down more often.

    Now for Hearns, he fought the best but didn't always beat them and therefore doesn't have quite the resume that Leonard has but H2H hes a monster.
     
  10. Thread Stealer

    Thread Stealer Loyal Member Full Member

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    Aaron Pryor, Meldrick Taylor, Mike Tyson.
     
  11. prime

    prime BOX! Writing Champion Full Member

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    Sonny Liston. He only defended successfully once, then ran into Clay. But his entire record and the film bear out a great fighter.

    In fact, outside of Ali -whose record does not escape nit-picking- you could look at most greats' records and say, "Who did he beat?"

    That is why it is fascinating to stack up lists and try and distill who the greatest fighters really were and why.

    Marciano's record looks pretty suspicious, just 6 defenses against mostly over-the-hill versions of excellent fighters. But the fact that he never lost as a pro, the way he won his key fights, the film and the way he excited his generation all confirm the Rock is nothing less than an all-time great.

    Dempsey apparently never defended successfully against a great challenger. But he was clearly head-and-shoulders above his peers in destroying Willard, Miske, Brennan, Carpentier and Firpo as he did the part of the prototype celebrity champion at the same time. The crowds he attracted speak of a unique talent that put boxing squarely on the map and the film shows a ring beast well ahead of his time.
     
  12. Sweet Pea

    Sweet Pea Obsessed with Boxing banned

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    Did you even read the thread?
     
  13. Duodenum

    Duodenum Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    This is a lucid, well articulated post.

    Checking the rankings for Dempsey's period as champion, Harry Wills is really the only glaring omission in his record.

    Marciano really did top the best his day had to offer.

    Aside from Ali's second reign in the mid 1970s, it could be argued that there has been a dearth of worthy contenders during most eras in heavyweight history.

    Beyond the heavyweight division, the question becomes consideranly more challenging.
     
  14. bxrfan

    bxrfan Sizzle Full Member

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    Gerald McClellan. He'd knock a lot of boxers out who aren't stick and movers.
     
  15. Sonny's jab

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    Marcel Cerdan has a great win-loss record, but few well-known names on it, a lot of unknown French and European fighters.

    However, I believe he's a serious threat to any middleweight in history.