Which Boxers Have Helped Evolve Boxing The Most

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  1. pistal47

    pistal47 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    In recent years. Just like everything else, something/someone is either evolving or devolving. Being stagnant progresses into devolving. The sport of boxing is clearly evolving and always has been. Throughout it's history certain boxers have impacted it's evolution more prominently than most.

    Which fighters in recent times have done this the most. The obvious top of the list one is probably Lomachenko. You can't walk into a gym/club today that's worth it's weight and not see trainers implementing and copying stuff he does. The "Lomachenko hop" is now standard practice in every gym around the world. I saw Wilder and his trainer working on it ahead of Stiverne 2, and man will he be scary if he can get his footwork a quarter as good as Loma.

    SO besides Loma, who else has really evolved boxing personally. Don't list the greatest fighters that were great on natural ability and not skills that other's can't do. Pedro Martinez was the greatest pitch I ever saw. Terrible coach, because it just came natural to him. I'm talking about the guys that clearly put in work day after day and year after year to refine their skills.
     
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  2. captain hook

    captain hook Well-Known Member Full Member

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    mike tyson - offensive skills, after tyson people saw that peek a boo really works

    muhammad ali - half of kids starting boxing emulate his moves

    floyd mayweather - same thing like Ali, everybody tries that philly shell until they fail miserably :)

    many more..SRL, Joe Louis, Manny Pacquiao, showboating by Hamed etc..
     
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  3. Paranoid Android

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    Pedro Martinez is the GOAT. Kershaw will be the second best ever when all is said and done.
     
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  4. pistal47

    pistal47 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Excellent well thought reply. I had everyone you mentioned in mind and seemed obvious but wanted to see how long it would take for someone or some posters to bring them up. Bravo Zulu to you, sir!
     
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  5. pistal47

    pistal47 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    THE GOAT:flamethrower2: Every ball that left his hand was fire.
     
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  6. pistal47

    pistal47 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Cus D'amato was teaching the "Loma hop/skip" to his fighters long before Loma and his father came along, and Tyson was his pupil that most effectively employed it. Sr. Lomachenko took notice and he and his son have evolved it to new heights. Loma's father truly is a boxing genius and genius in biomechanics.
     
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  7. pistal47

    pistal47 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    I think Josh Taylor is currently in the process of moving the goalposts. Like anyone else invested in boxing, I've been wrong about guys before, but this kid, to me, seems really special and I see true greatness for a long time in his future. Refreshing to see such a gifted fighter that is also so technically and fundamentally sound.

    Also Terrence Crawford.
     
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  8. kk17

    kk17 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Joe Louis, Robinson, Leonard, Tyson, Whitaker, Chavez Sr, Maywaether, Pacman and you are right at the moment it's Lomaschenko
     
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  9. mark ant

    mark ant Canelo was never athletic Full Member

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    I feel great fighters like Mayweather brought the game along quite a bit by younger fighters copying them, fighters stated doing the shoulder roll after Floyd showed what a good defense it was Adrien Broner for one was a poor man`s Floyd and stuff but a lot has also been lost, body punching seems out of favour among most young and there are very few who are as good at that lost art as JC Chavez sr and Mike McCallum were so I don`t think it`s just a straight case of boxing improving.
     
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  10. The Funny Man 7

    The Funny Man 7 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Jim Corbett was the first to use angles and footwork to advance the sweet science. Benny Leonard was the first man widely credited with using sophisticated combinations. Tunney improved on Corbett's innovations while making improvements in conditioning and mental preparation.
     
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  11. escudo

    escudo Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Lomachenko's footwork is changing the game.

    Chavez inspiring a generation of Mexican greats.
     
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  12. Cafe

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    Gene Tunney for me seems to have had a very ahead of his time style. Lately another example could be Klitschko (or Lewis, or I guess if you go even further it started with Steward and Hearns), inspired the whole super-heavyweight revolution with people mimicking the rangy, straight punch approach,
     
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  13. juppity

    juppity Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Evander Holyfield .He took boxing out of the dark ages and after him everybody lifted weights and took a scientific approach to boxing conditioning.
     
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  14. Gil Gonzalez

    Gil Gonzalez Boxing Addict banned Full Member

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    Gene Tunney watched film of Jack Dempsey, questioned endless people about him and hired Dempsey's sparring partners to find out as much as he could about him for something like 8 years before he fought him.
     
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    Floyd Mayweather protects your 0 scheme while maximising income is game changing.
     
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