Which country outside of the U.S. has the best top fighters?

There is a big difference Ruiz ,Arreola,Estrada,Quezada are all born and raised in the US they are 100% Americans they just have Mexican or Puerto Rican ancestry. Oquendo was born in PR raised in the US.
Arthur Abraham was born and raised in Armenia he is as much German as Israel Vasquez is American.
Wlad and Vitali born Ukranian fought for their teams in the Amatuers and olympics that says it all they are not German they are Ukranians.

 

Both Klitschkos spent much of their lives in Germany and consider it their home or second home as they put it. I still don't think they qualify as German.

Abraham lived most of his live in Germany (since he was 15), learned boxing there, made his career and name there and choose to be German over Armenian. Enough to consider him German.

Huck lived more than 2/3 of his live in Germany (since he was 7), learned boxing there, made his career and name there and choose to be German over Bosnian. Enough to consider him German.

Stieglitz is from a German ethnic minority in Russia, lived most of his live in Germany, learned boxing there, made his career and name there. If he isn't German what then?

Felix Sturm is born in Germany, raised there, spent his whole live there. Yeah, he is not German.


btw. 36 of he 82 million people living in Germany have non-German ancestors, 6 million don't have German citizenship. Germany is an immigrant country. People come here to live and stay. It's jus natural that some of hem will fight for their new home country.

While I agree Germany shouldn't be on the list, it's not for the reasons you think. Outside of Abraham, Huck and Sturm Germany has no fighters who are considered to be up there with the verybest of their divisions. That's not enough to be there.


I voted Mexico btw. and I think it's a no-brainer. No other country outside of hem should even be on the list.

 

Agreed.

No.

 

What about The Philippines? Pacquiao, Donaire, Ram Mayol, Penalosa, Nietes, Sonsona, Casimero
Or: Venezuela: Valero, Cermeno, Acosta, Linares, Munoz
Or: Panama: Caballero, Moreno, Jones, Concepcion, Cordoba
Or: Armenia: Abraham, Darchinyan, Martirosyan, Gevor
Or: Cuba: Gamboa, Casamayor, Rigondeaux, Solis, Gomez, Lara, Garcia, Hernandez
Or: Thailand: Poonsawat, Wonjongkam, Sithsamerchai, Kaovichit
Or: Colombia: Perez, Tamara, Urango, Miranda, Pitalua, Torres, Julio, Prescott, Berrio
Or: Ukraine: W Klitschko, V Klitschko, Dzinziruk, Sidorenko, Kotelnik, Senchenko, Dimitrenko
Or: Russia: Povetkin, Valuev, Boystov, Alexeev, Baysangurov, Lebedev, Pirog, Provodnikov, Korobov
Or: South Africa: Funeka, Nongqayi, Klassen, Mthalane, Fana, Malinga, Hlatshwayo

Boxing is deep as ****.

 

Far more sensible to just take each fighters own opinion. Glen Johnson has lived in America since he was 13, his entire boxing education, amateur career and professional career has been based out of America. But if he considers himself Jamaican, then that's good enough for me. If Wladimir Klitschko considers himself Ukrainian despite being born in Kazakhstan or wherever it was, living in California and boxing mainly in Germany, then that's good enough for me. But, whatever, Bodhi already explained it to you.

 

Yep, that takes care of the controverse. :good

 

Ok im gonna list the countries that the Tm put out and im gonna list all the World class fighters from those respective countries after i do this i expect everyone here to acknowledge Mexico as by FAR and away the next best after the US.
Puerto Rico
Cotto
Calderon
Juana Ma
Quintana
Cintron
Morel
Martinez

Germany
Sturm
Huck
Stieglitz
Sylvester

Uk
Khan
Hatton
Haye
Froch
Mitchell
Afolabi
Rhodes- maybe

Japan
Hasegawa
Nishioka
Koki Kameda
Daiko Kameda
Uchiyama
Naito
Sakata

Okay now everyone check out how many world class fighters from Mexico
Juan m Marquez
Antonio Margarito
Israel Vasquez
Rafeal Marquez
Fernando Montiel
Humberto Soto
Abner Mares- Raised in US born In Mexico
Giovanni Segura
Cristobal Cruz
Raul Garcia
Rolando Reyes
Alfredo Angulo
Daniel Ponce Deleon
David Lopez
Johnny Gonzalez
Jorge Solis
Ulises SOlis
EdgarSosa
HugoCazares
Omar Nino
AntonioDemarco
Liberado Andrade- Born Mexico raised US
Enrique Ornelas- ^
Marco Rubio
Urbano Antillon ^
Juan cSalgado
Miguel Vasquez
Alfonso Gomez ^
Jorge Arce
Antonio Escalante^
Martin Honorio
Saul Alvarez
Julio Miranda
Jose Armando Santa Cruz

Thats 33 world class fighters from Mexico and only a handful from the rest. And i think that i forgot a couple .
Thats
Mexico 33
PR 7
Uk 7
Japan 7
Germany 4
This should put an end to any debate this was not even close! Mexico had more than the other 4 combined!

 

Abraham, Ghevor should both be counted for Germany. And don't forget Brähmer, he isn't in jail yet.

But I agree with Mexico. I's obvious it's Mexico.

 

Forgot about Ghevor and Brahemer(maybe) but arent Abraham and Gevor raised in Armenia and just transplanted?

 

Philippines

 

Read what I wrote above about Abraham. He spent half his life in Germany, learned boxing there, made his name and career there and choosed to be German over Armenian.

Ghevor isn't as long in Germany as Arbaham but he is also German citizen, has a wife and children here, became a pro here and has considers Germany as his home - he stated so himself more than once.

Who are you to ignore the choices those guys made for themselves?

 

all you did was name most professional boxers that are active from mexico a lot of these fighters suck.. i could easily make a list of 30 fighters from PR that are active and have fought at the highest level even thought with not much sucess

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