Which current heavies beat Joshua?

Only one certain is Usyk. If AJ fights like he did last night against Joyce or Fury he loses.

Apart from Ruiz, the others mentioned aren't top fighters (therew plenty HW not mentioned better than the other guys mentioned) and AJ still beats even if box s like he did last night.

 

Fury Wilder Usyk Joyce definitely.

Miller and Ruiz probably.

He probably beats the rest.

 

Usyk, Fury, Wilder, Joyce beat Joshua IMO. Before last night, I'd have only favoured Usyk and Fury with any certainty, but Joshua looks more damaged than I had predicted - so I'd back Wilder and Joyce to beat him too now.

The rest, I'd probably favour Joshua - but aside from Franklin and Zhang, I wouldn't put money on it.

Joshua is clearly superior to Whyte, but I could see a situation whereby Whyte winds Joshua up enough to make him reckless and somehow lands something. Same for Miller.

I'm not too certain about Dubois' actual level - so it's a difficult one to call. I'd say Joshua is better right now, but aside from Joyce, Dubois hasn't been tested enough at the top level to accurately predict.

 

I thought you saw Whyte as a "top fighter"?

 

Usyk would beat him a third time, most likely points.
Fury would school him and stop him between 6-8
Wilder catches him inside 4 rounds
Joyce is relentless and makes AJ fight at a pace he doesn’t like and wins round 9
Only my opinion but I can’t see how AJ beats any of them.

 

Fury, Wilder, Usyk, Joyce, Zhang

Only other one with an outside chance is maybe Miller.

 

Agree apart from Zhang - what makes you say that? I'd favour Joshua over Zhang right now, regardless of Zhang's power.

That said, I feel Joshua is so fragile now, that even if he's winning the fight he's always vulnerable. I wouldn't, with any confidence, say the same for Usyk/Fury/Joyce apart from if they were facing Wilder.

 

I literally agree with every word of this, sad for AJ but he really looks done! Was looking forward to last night and really thought he would make a statement but…

 

I expected him to blow Franklin out early and make a statement - leading nicely into a late Summer clash with Whyte given the narrative - in many ways the way last night panned out was the worst possible outcome. Conversely, even worse than if he'd been KO'd and retired there and then.

 

Fury, Wilder, Joyce and Usyk for me.

For some reason you didn't put an option for Usyk, you should add him @Wig. You also forgot Whyte.

 

Didnt see Whyte in there. After watching his fight with Franklin, there someone questions to be answered if it was just a bad performance or if he's in decline.

 

There were definite improvements but Joshua looked terrified. If he gets a sports psychologist and addresses the demons I think he could have another run at the belts.

Still don’t see him beating Fury or Wilder but everyone else including Usyk (if he big man fights Usyk with his current gas tank)

 

Joshua is done competing for any world belts and would lose against
Fury
Usyk 3 again
Joyce
Wilder

 

I’d quite like to see aj vs hrgovic next