Which draw was worse - Chavez/Pea or Canelo/Triple G

I had Pea and GGG winning by 6-point margins, but I'm not too upset about the result last week. It could be argued that Canelo snagged two, possibly even three, of the accepted criteria for scoring. I watched it unfold twice in slow-motion, and came away unsatisfied with my own score.

 

Who ?
Anyone could have written that on boxrec.

 

To be honest, I don't see the big fuss people make out of that draw. IMO it was the perfect result for that fight (one scorecard was way off though). It wasn't a bad decision at all but probably the correctest possible. Both fighters fought the fight they wanted to fight, GGG scored with his workrate and Canelo showed his defensive prowess. Both landed hard punches, maybe Alvarez slightly more. Most rounds were fairly close IMO and it depends what you favour. The main reason most think GGG won is because they count aggressiveness and workrate above all, no matter if effective or not.

IMO in championship fights, if you don't win clearly as in at least 8-4 in rounds, it should always be a draw.

I thought he just looked gassed.

 

True. Just quoting what's written there. So have I and many others here done previously for scores, weights etc for other fights.

 

True.
JohnThomas's list of Hagler-Leonard scores was a remarkable exception.

Seriously, I'm interested in the Tyson-Tillis thing. I had it 6-4 and have always contended it was a close fight. 5-5 might be possible. I haven't spent much time analysing. But you're the first who I've seen (aside from perhaps some trolls) who has come out and called Tillis winner. Fair enough.

 

Golovkin's aggression was effective. Ineffective aggression is when you'll just swinging, missing and being pummelled. Effective aggresion is when you're landing and making the other guy run away.

I don't have a huge problem with someone calling it a draw either. It was no outrage (except for the matter of the 118-110 card that suggests a FIX, but whatever .... that's boxing.).
I think Golovkin did enough but a draw isn't a loss, and he didn't exactly dominate beyond all doubt.

I like this.

He was gassed, and he was also getting hit and hurt. One leads to the other.

 

Nice work.
Jeff Ryan's card is atrocious, almost as bad as the judge JJ Guerra !

 

People talk about "scoring ineffective aggression" but I think there's more people who score "ineffective retreating".
There's a school of thought that seems to think running around and not getting hit is good boxing or "ring generalship" in itself.
I think Alvarez winning scores and the wide scores for SRL over Hagler reflect such a thinking.

 

...but Alvarez landed cleaner punches. I think round 9 is a microcosm of how the fight went. Ggg landed more and moved forward with Lampley cheerleading. Alvarez looked tired but rolled with most of GGG's punches and landed the cleaner blows by the end of the round.

 

But it's not ineffective retreating if you land the better, cleaner punches in a given round, which really seems to be the heart of the disagreement between people who honk Golovkin dominated vs those who saw a close fight.

 

Exactly. There were several rounds where Canelo slipped, at least partially deflected, or rolled with virtually all of Golovkins punches while nailing Golovkin in the face and body with some flush, eye-catching shots.

I think people are giving Golovkin the benefit of the doubt based on what we've seen him do in other fights, but I bet someone who didn't have preexisting expectations about either fighter would recognize that Canelo landed more of the cleaner shots.

 

Says who? What's your basis for saying that judges are supposed to just act as glorified punch counters?