which ethnic background has had..

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  1. WhataRock

    WhataRock Loyal Member Full Member

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    Irish is an ethnic group.
    Ethnic groups change over time and are often redefined.
     
  2. Bummy Davis

    Bummy Davis Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Joe Louis had Indian blood, I think Cheroke...there were a lot of old americans with Indian blood Dempsey for one
     
  3. kenmore

    kenmore Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Danny "Little Red" Lopez, WBC featherweight champion for 1976-80, was of Ute Indian descent.
     
  4. Seamus

    Seamus Proud Kulak Full Member

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    One could argue that almost all Mexican/Central and Southern American fighters are part "Native American".

    And if you are going to go continental with African-American, try European-American.

    This whole line of argumentation is anti-intellectual and in its most polite vein, silly.
     
  5. mattdonnellon

    mattdonnellon Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    A race is "a group of persons related by common decent".
    Being a nationality does not preclude a group from being a "race".
    But it's all getting a little pedantic.
     
  6. PowerPuncher

    PowerPuncher Loyal Member Full Member

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    Dempsey, many blacks are also part native american
     
  7. PowerPuncher

    PowerPuncher Loyal Member Full Member

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    Most African Americans black ancestory decends from west african tribes, but most african americans have european and some native american
     
  8. Ezzard

    Ezzard Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Dempsey and Louis were of native American descent...

    Problem with this kind of debate is that race is such a difficult thing to pin-point.

    Ali had an Irish Grandparent. Didn't Burley have an Irish parent? Also throw in that some heritages are held more closely than others... So people would describe themselves as Jewish-American (and for that you don't need to be descended from promised land or even the diapsora) but not say English-American.

    Then add in the slavery breeding program that African-Americans and West Indians were subject to (essentially breeding physically superior slaves whilst weeding out those with lesser physical capabilities)...

    You end up with something that doesn't prove anything.
     
  9. Chinxkid

    Chinxkid Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Which ever was the poorest at the time...

    The Irish had their turn, the Jews, the Italians, then the blacks, followed by the Latinos. Next could be the Iraqis or the Afghans, coming out of the soon to be bustling Little Baghdads and Kabuls of New York, Chicago and L.A. Then again, if the American economy continues to tank all bets are off, and you could see a reemergence in the game, as established Americans have to strip off their white collars and three piece Armanis and cup 'em, wrap 'em, and lace 'em.
     
  10. Bummy Davis

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    Right now its the Russians but everyone had there chance....Seems like Americans period think the sport is too gruiling and Boxing has a bad end for most
     
  11. punchy

    punchy Well-Known Member Full Member

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    I think the afro american's have dominated with their super athleticism although the eastern europeans are doing well now.
     
  12. Seamus

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    i'm not sure what "athleticism" really means. greatest athlete- based on pure speed, jumping ability, agility and strength? Roman Sebrle, a czech and probably a shitty boxer.

    reason african-americans have been so successful at boxing? they've been pissed on by the powers that be for 400+ years and have only relatively recently been given access to achieve something outside of sport.

    almost as a rule boxing is the domain of the oppressed and impoverished.