Which fight legitimized hagler?

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  1. redrooster

    redrooster Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    I believe it was the second Hamsho fight

    Hagler had many doubters, many of them in the media, that he was a worthy champion and his stock went down after two shoddy performances. Did the second Hamsho fight bring it back to life?
     
  2. Bummy Davis

    Bummy Davis Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Minter, in the fashion that he took him out, Vito rematch and Hamsho rematch
     
  3. klompton2

    klompton2 Boxing Junkie banned Full Member

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    Vito rematch proved nothing.
     
  4. dpw417

    dpw417 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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  5. zadfrak

    zadfrak Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    I'll go against the grain on this and say something like Scypion. For a kind of strange logic.

    Everyone knew Marvin was a pretty good fighter. By the time the Scypion fight was over, it seemed like everyone finally acknowledged nobody was going to beat him for awhile. But it sure took Marvin about 50 fights to arrive on most folks' radar. Funny sport sometimes.

    Arum really didn't back the guy either ike DKP backed his top dogs. I just think overall he was the Ricardo Lopez type guy & it was his perserverance and continued winning that won everyone over. If he was a Rid**** Bowe type with just a few A+ performances, can you imagine the level of admiration he'd be getting today? For losing to a coming out of retirement welter?
     
  6. McGrain

    McGrain Diamond Dog Staff Member

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    Yeah, he would get bummed to the moon today.
     
  7. McGrain

    McGrain Diamond Dog Staff Member

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    :lol: don't know where that came from.

    He would be widely admired very early on in his career.
     
  8. TBooze

    TBooze Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    As a youngster and a huge fan of my hometown hero Alan Minter, Hagler seemed a very legitimate threat to Boom Boom. Thus it was pre Minter to me. And although not a fan at the time, I get the impression reading material of the time, Hagler was considered the 'uncrowned' champ going into the Antuofermo fight.
     
  9. SILVER SKULL 66

    SILVER SKULL 66 Well-Known Member Full Member

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    1ST Vito fight:deal..


    Everybody in the World knew Hagler would be Undisputed middleweight champion, in a year or 2, after Vito 1, a fight where about 85% roughly thought he won:yep

    That fight right there made Hagler a lot better than he already was:bbb
     
  10. redrooster

    redrooster Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    I think the Scypion fight was where Hagler was at his most invincible, just before he came down to earth in the Duran fight. Following the Roldan fight, he had to rebuild his image and the rematch with Hamsho alone seemed to actually restore his former lustre
     
  11. zadfrak

    zadfrak Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    That's what I think. Boxing insiders and fanatics knew he was the real goods going back to all those tough Philly fights. But the casual fans sure didn't.

    And the sport was in a funny state where flash was selling. That's what was popular. And Hagler was at the other end of the spectrum from flash and certainly was not going to be wearing tassles on his shoes.
     
  12. salsanchezfan

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    I'll go further out and say it was the Cyclone Hart fight, well before he won the title.

    He'd already lost to Monroe and Watts (debatable decision against Watts aside) and he was suddenly 0-2 against the big Philadelphia gatekeepers. Losing a third fight to one of them would have turned a lot of people off for good I think. He had to have that win to remain a serious threat to anyone down the line, and he came up big against Hart. Confidence then surging, he rematched Monroe and crushed him twice, moved on to comprehensively outpoint Briscoe, etc., etc..........

    It was the Hart fight that was really the pivotal point in his career. That kicked it off.
     
  13. 2piece

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    I don't believe that Hagler or many other great fighters would be as great today as they were then, because they wouldn't have such a had road coming up to being an elite fighter.
     
  14. he grant

    he grant Historian/Film Maker

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    All dead on and then of course Hearns .. the one time he did not freeze up in a big fight ..
     
  15. Unforgiven

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    He was considered the genuine article several fights before he fought for the title first.

    Every fighter has "doubters", that never stops.