Which Fight Made The Following ATG's

Re****

 

I wouldn't go as far as calling him a re****, but yes, his post his full of inconsistencies.

Foster had a bad chin when he moved up to heavyweight. He showed a pretty good one at 175

Toney beat a 40 year old Holyfield who was well past it.

Lewis didn't really beat any great heavyweights in their prime.

If you leave out Holyfield, Hagler, Monzon, Foster Tyson, etc, you should remove Lewis. I'm more inclined to include all of them.

 

Yeah ok UncleTermite.

 

Sugar Ray Robinson - Joey Maxim
Muhammad Ali - George Foreman
Roberto Duran - SRL I
Sugar Ray Leonard - Tommy Hearns I
Tommy Hearns - Roberto Duran
Marvin Hagler - Tommy Hearns
Carlos Monzon - Bennie Briscoe II
Bernard Hopkins - Felix Trinadad
Roy Jones Jr - James Toney
Bob Foster - **** Tiger
Julio Cesar Chavez Sr - Edwin Rosario
Pernell Whitaker - Julio Cesar Chavez
Lennox Lewis - Evander Holyfield II
Mike Tyson - Trevor Berbick
Evander Holyfield - James Buster Douglas
Manny Pacquiao - Marco Antonio Barrera I
Floyd Mayweather Jr - Oscar De La Hoya

 

Best to just ignore these fools. It gives them their power if we all respond. They'll fade into Bolivian if we skip over them and erase them from existence. I know bro, it's a difficult task since the bait to obliterate them is so enticing.

On another note, 28 years ago today the term "womanly gestures" was coined and buried Biggs' career!

 

That's it. Deport them all to South America

No, I get your point.

 

Like previously mentioned, some guys achieve greatness via attrition and longevity and consistent results. Some guys don't.

I happen to think Ricardo Lopez is the only great fighter I've seen the last 20 years. Lots of very good's, but great? Don't see it. But Lopez never had that big defining fight. That usually takes a win over a name opponent to achieve.

Anyone following the matchmaking in the sport the last 40 years knows there have been far more tough matchups never made than there are examples of tough matchups that actually occurred. Way way too much cherry picking & path of least resistence career's.

 

Foster was stopped at light heavyweight by Doug Jones. He doesn't have that solid of a resume. His win over D1ck Tiger was hardly notable due to Tiger obviously being miles past his prime at 39 years old.

Again, Holyfield was a huge steroid user and I don't consider anyone who can't naturally be great to be an ATG.

Lennox Lewis beat a string of fighters in their prime Tua, Golota, McCall, and Tony Tucker (who had 1 defeat to Tyson). They weren't ATG's but they were great fighters in their era.

I've been reviewing Hagler's fights for a couple days now and I gotta agree with you on him certainly being an ATG.

I stand by what I said on everyone else.

 

It is never one fight that makes a fighter an all-time great. There are career-best performances and defining fights, but that's all they are.

If greatness was based on one performance, then Buster Douglas, Jimmy Young, Hasim Rahman would be ATG's.

All-Time Great status is a consistent body of work and world class results against the best available.