Which fighter faced the most number of very durable opponents?

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  1. ChrisPontius

    ChrisPontius March 8th, 1971 Full Member

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    I was recently looking at Lennox Lewis' record and his KO-percentage is relatively low for someone who i regard as one of the heaviest punchers in history. 41-2-1 (32), 73%.

    But if you look at how many iron chinned fighters he fought:

    Lennox Lewis:

    Holyfield I
    Holyfield II
    Tua
    Vitali Klitschko (stopped in 6)
    Mercer
    Mavrovic
    Tyson (stopped in 8, was old)
    McCall I
    McCall II (stopped in 5)
    Tucker


    That's 11 fights against fighters that rarely (after severe beatings) or never taken out during their primes. That's a lot! Mason could be argued.

    To make a few comparisons for hard-hitting fighters:

    Mike Tyson:

    Thomas (stopped in 6)
    Tucker
    Holmes (stopped in 4, was old)
    Holyfield I
    Holyfield II


    That's 5 fights. 6 if you want to include Mitch Green, who seemed very durable but was perhaps not as tested as most contenders.


    George Foreman:

    Chuvalo (stopped in 3)
    Ali
    Young (arguably)
    Holyfield
    Schulz

    That's 5 fights. Foreman had an incredible amount of padding on his record though, so it wouldn't have translated as much in his KO percentage anyway.


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    Joe Frazier:


    Bonavena I
    Bonavena II
    Machen (stopped in 10)
    Chuvalo (stopped in 4)
    Ali I
    Ali II
    Ali III
    Bugner

    That's 8 fights.

    Sonny Liston

    Bethea (stopped in 1)
    Machen
    Ali I
    Ali II (as far as that's considered a "fight"..)

    That's a total number of 4.

    Rocky Marciano:

    LaStarza I
    LaStarza II (stopped in 11)
    Lowry I
    Lowry II
    Louis (not an iron chin, but stopped only once in 70 fights of which 50 against top opposition, he deserves to be in here like Holmes)

    That's 5 fights.

    Joe Louis

    Max Baer (stopped in 4)
    Uzcudun (stopped in 4, was old)
    Braddock (stopped in 8)
    Galento (stopped in 4)
    Godoy I
    Godoy II (stopped in 8)
    Simon I (stopped in 13)
    Simon II (stopped in 6)
    Bivins
    Marciano

    That's 10 fights.

    Jack Dempsey

    John Lester Johnson
    Brennan I (stopped in 6)
    Brennan II (stopped in 12)
    Miske I
    Miske II
    Miske III (stopped in 3)
    Tunney I
    Tunney II
    Gibbons

    That's 9 fights. It should be noted that the first two Miske fights were scheduled for 6 and 10 rounds, so there was a bit less room for a knockout.

    Willard (stopped in 3)




    So, to summarize, the number of very durable opponents faced in a fight:

    Lewis: 11
    Louis: 10
    Dempsey: 9
    Frazier: 8
    Tyson: 5
    Foreman: 5
    Marciano: 5
    Liston: 4
     
  2. Addie

    Addie Myung Woo Yuh! Full Member

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    Is this a case for Lewis being ranked #1 heavyweight of all time? What?
     
  3. SuzieQ49

    SuzieQ49 The Manager Full Member

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    nice thread and numbers but I think tony tubbs(who had never been down heading into the tyson fight) should be added to tysons list. I also think Nino Valdez was pretty durable and should be added to listons list.
     
  4. ChrisPontius

    ChrisPontius March 8th, 1971 Full Member

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    I don't think they should be on the list. Valdes has been knocked out several times, including by a somewhat green version of Machen (not a puncher). Tubbs has a few first round KO losses close to his prime, in fact he had one the same year he gave Bowe that close fight. I don't think he belongs.
     
  5. Russell

    Russell Loyal Member Full Member

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    Liston did fight an unbelievable amount of iron chinned fighters.

    Good to see him get his due there.
     
  6. ChrisPontius

    ChrisPontius March 8th, 1971 Full Member

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    However i am considering to add Walcott to Louis. He suffered a few KO losses when he had little experience and fought under poor circumstances. When he fought a tremendous amount of punchers (outside of Ali, Lewis and Louis, more than any other heavyweight in history) and was stopped only by Marciano and Louis. Even at that, he was never in big trouble over 15 rounds with Louis in their first fight and went 13 with a peak Marciano.
     
  7. Stonehands89

    Stonehands89 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Good thread and I agree. Lewis deserves more credit that his critics (including me) give him. I am not so eager to glorify the great names on his list of conquests because Tyson was shot and Holyfield was close to it. But he sure as hell fought and beat durable guys -McCall, Tua, and Mercer striding high there.
     
  8. SuzieQ49

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    Umm Tubbs prime ended after the tyson fight. Tubbs was long past his prime by the time he embarrased Riddick Bowe. Any of those 1990s knockout losses shouldnt count against tubbs chin. As for Valdez, do what you want. Archie Moore wasnt able to put him away in 25 rounds, Charles couldnt floor him once, baker couldnt floor him once in 20 rounds, I have film of valdez taking flush bombs from satterfield not getting kayoed, marciano couldn't floor him, I think he had a solid chin not granite but solid.

    I strongly suggest though adding tony tubbs to tysons list, even if no valdez.
     
  9. SuzieQ49

    SuzieQ49 The Manager Full Member

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    I agree, im suprised more dont see it this way.
     
  10. Maxmomer

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    Might want to include Levinsky on Dempsey's list.
     
  11. Russell

    Russell Loyal Member Full Member

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    Has Louis been mentioned yet?

    Both Baer's had granite chins, Marciano, Sharkey...

    Bivins and Conn both had great chins.

    John Henry Lewis, Galento, Braddock, Farr... All had amazing chins.

    Uzcudun too.
     
  12. Sonny's jab

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    Sugar Ray Robinson fought LaMotta, Maxim, Fullmer, really durable guys.
     
  13. Russell

    Russell Loyal Member Full Member

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    Basilio.
     
  14. Mendoza

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    You might want to look at Vitali Klitschko. A while back there was a thread on which punchers stopped the most guys late, and Vitali was on top…over Tyson, Lewis, Tua, Marciano, Jeffries, and Dempsey.

    Vitlai Klitschko also stopped many hard to TKO/KO Opponents.

    Among them are:

    Kirk Johnson – Vitali was the only man to stop him

    Larry Donald – Vitali was the only man to stop him

    Vaugh Bean – Vitlai was the only man to stop him

    Ross Purrity – Stopped twice in his first 5 fights, then went 41 fights in a row without being stopped vs an army of big punchers, before Vitlai Stopped him.

    Others to consider: Hoffman ( for sure ), Sullivan, Lewis, Byrd ( for sure ), Norris, and Williams were rarely stopped and all fought some big punchers. Vitali took out 3 of 6 here.

    Total 7 of 11 or 63.6%

    Or if you just want to add in Hoffman and Byrd its 4 of 6 or 66.6%
     
  15. SuzieQ49

    SuzieQ49 The Manager Full Member

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    Vitali wasnt a great heavyweight. isnt this thread for great heavyweights only?