Which fighter proved themselves against the most diverse range of GREAT fighters?

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  1. sweet_scientist

    sweet_scientist Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Harada certainly has the pure boxers (you can add Johnny Famechon there) and boxer punchers down pat. Medel might do as a swarmer, though I think that's pushing it. Jofre although not exclusively a puncher, was definitely a big puncher.
     
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  2. teeto

    teeto Obsessed with Boxing banned

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    Yeah, agreed. Just so so hard to outbox he was. Jofre certainly tested him on the fighting/punching front though.
     
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  3. Pusnuts

    Pusnuts Active Member Full Member

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    If you're talking diverse you gotta include some heavyweights IMO huge range of sizes and styles, albeit some are less skilled than lower weights but the size and style disparity can be huge

    Having said that, a shout out to Ali who beat 5'10 swarmer Frazier and 6'3 clubber lang Foreman, and before that the speedy Floyd Patterson and the different again Sonny Liston.
     
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  4. punchy

    punchy Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Ah best not to mention the Young fight, me thinks.
     
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  5. McGrain

    McGrain Diamond Dog Staff Member

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    I certainly wouldn't object - he knocked very very few guys out though, 25ish in 150 recorded fights. It's a low KO% even for his era.
     
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  6. Stonehands89

    Stonehands89 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Greb

    Pure boxers in Loughren and Slattery and Levinsky
    Boxer-Punchers in Tunney and Gibbons
    Swarmers in Flowers and Walker
    Punchers in Brennan and Jack Dillon (throw in the Chip bros as well)

    Defensive masters in Rosenbloom and McTigue and Mike Gibbons
    Counter-puncher in Kid Norfolk

    That's just from glancing his record. The more you dig the more undeniable it becomes that it is this man, and not the great Sugar Ray, who is The God of War.
     
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  7. sweet_scientist

    sweet_scientist Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    True, though I think the fact that he was undersized in quite a few fights accounts somewhat for that less than stellar ko ratio.
     
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  8. sweet_scientist

    sweet_scientist Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Wow....

    No doubting Greb did it all and a few times over, though Sugar Ray is no slouch as well as far as beating greats or near greats in most styles:

    Angott - swarmer
    Zivic - swarmer
    Lamotta - swarmer
    Armstrong - swarmer
    Basilio - swarmer
    Gavilan - boxer puncher
    Olson - boxer puncher
    Dykes - boxer puncher
    Basora - boxer puncher
    Abrams - boxer puncher
    Fullmer - how would you classify him?
    Docusen - pure Boxer
    Dupas - pure boxer
    Pender - pure boxer (he definitely won their first fight)
    Graziano - puncher

    Probably just a bit thin in fighting guys that were great punchers I'd say. Did he fight any quality punchers I missed out on?
     
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  9. Seamus

    Seamus Proud Kulak Full Member

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    Good Lord, people!

    Sugar Ray Robinson!
     
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  10. GPater11093

    GPater11093 Barry Full Member

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    I always thought Welsh was a pure boxer until I researched his bout with Driscoll. It seems to be he was more of a very technical pressure fighter, he would use his jab to get inside then fight from there, his jab let him put pressure on from range though, as well.

    Anyone else researched him, and more informed to give an opinion than me?

    Marty Servo as a puncher perhaps?

    Personally I would call Olsen more of a pressure fighter, don't think he was a boxer-puncher, but thats not important.

    Also Fullmer was abit of a swarmer when he fought SRR.
     
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  11. natonic

    natonic Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Ray Leonard. Might be a bit of a reach, but I'll say Sal Sanchez (Danny Lopez, Wilfredo Gomez, Azumah Nelson, and a composite of Ford, Castillo, Laporte, etc. counts for something in a short amount of time.
     
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  12. sweet_scientist

    sweet_scientist Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    He certainly looks a pure boxer on tape (against Summers and McFarland) but he may have tried to rough house Driscoll a bit given that he (Welsh) was the naturally bigger guy and the inferior boxer.

    I don't think that bout is indicative of his normal style though.


    Fair calls :good
     
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  13. sweet_scientist

    sweet_scientist Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Kid Gavilan has a case here I suppose:

    Lausse - puncher (a little pre-prime and maybe not quite great)
    Williams - boxer puncher
    Dykes - boxer puncher (a tad short on great)
    Graham - pure boxer
    Jack - swarmer
    Turner - swarmer
    Basilio - swarmer (a tad pre-prime)
     
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  14. teeto

    teeto Obsessed with Boxing banned

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    We could actually be even kinder to Gavilan and say that Basilio crosses the boundary of pressure fighter as well, that's probably me splitting hairs but hey.
     
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  15. mr. magoo

    mr. magoo VIP Member Full Member

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    I think he's already been mentioned, but Ezzard Charles is the first that comes to mind. The man beat punchers, boxers, swarmers, and basically every major profile known to man.
     
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