Which fighter's career/record/legacy was most affected by questionable decisions?

:huh

 

Well you know who gets my answer..he needs no introduction.

 

Correct. :good

Foreman was staggering forward from exhaustion in round 7 & had lost every round, he was no position to win even if he had continued after Ali dropped him with that beautiful combo in the 8th.

 

de la hoya, he should be respected by everyone as a great and long standing p4p top 3 guy, instead he's viewed as someone who lost his biggest fights.

 

Kid Gavilan would be top 15 on everyone's list if he didn't get robbed in fights against the likes of Ike Williams, Billy Graham, Johnny Saxton Lester Felton, Robert Villemain, George Costner, Gene Hairston, Johnny Bratton and a swath of other shaftings at the tail-end of his career.

Also would have been helped if either way fights didn't go against him e.g. against Ray Robinson, Bobo Olson, Tommy Ciarlo, Danny Womber and a few others.

Really, he should be a top 15 fighter all time, arguably on the precipice of the top 10 all time, but few rank him there...

 

Most see DLH pretty accurately: a guy that held his own against the top echelon of his day, but who rarely distinguished himself from them. If anything, I think he gets rated higher than he should.

 

One guy that I think could rate a little higher is Marlon Starling.

I thought he clearly beat Simon Brown, Mark Breland and Maurice Blocker.

He pretty much held his own against Curry (both times), Johnny Bumphus and gave Michael Nunn a closer fighter than is usually acknowledged (the latter of which is more owing to the extraordinarily stinky effort of Nunn of course).

 

Best answer, also maybe Rodriguez - people forget those 2. Whitaker is an obvious 1 but those draws/losses are usually accounted for not so with Rodriguez/Galivan

I do question how often pre civil rights black fighters got jobbed, it's not like they'd be the home town fighters or in a position to quible

Agree, he has more that he should have lost than fights he should have won for my money. If in reality he was down as losing to Whitaker/Quartey, while beating Tito, losing to Mosley, beating Vargas and a Mosley coming off 2 losses to Forrest, before going to MW and losing to Sturm and Hopkins......well he wouldn't be rated as highly but that's what happened.

 

on a much lower level historically, how would robin reid be looked at if he got the wins over calzaghe and ottke?

 

Reasonably well, Calzaghe and Ottke would be devalued though. The Calzaghe 1 isn't that controversal it was mainly Reid's local fans complaining

 

Yeah, Rodriguez would have much more fanfare today if he received the decisions against Griffith that he deserved.

And if we're talking about fighters whose career was positively affected by their questionable decisions, then we need look no further than Emile Griffith. Imo he dropped all 4 decisions to Rodriguez, together with the first fight with Tiger, the first fight against Archer, the first Ortega fight, the first Fernandez fight and he should have drawn with Don Fullmer.

Do you have any particular fighters in mind in saying that?

I should also mention Eddie Perkins here. He walked into everyone's backyard and left empty handed often because of it.

Has questionable losses to Loi, Napoles, Hernandez, Locche, Henrique, Grant and Ortiz that would have made him look MUCH different if they fell his way....

You really have to take your hat off to Perkins. Some of today's reluctant fighters should hear his story and be ashamed with themselves for their ducking and dodging...

 

Meldrick Taylor ,his loss to Chavez

RJJ decision loss in the Olympics

Hagler's loss to Leonard