which fighters physique or build would you want?

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no homo but you cant get more ripped than Edgar santana

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Tyson

 

rjjr
haye
mosley
hatton wen he weighed in for mayweather

 

Mundine is around my weight,

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if i had to pick someon my weight it'd b pac

 

No I don't think they eat less. they will almost always eat more in the end. This is an interesting training subject (sorry its off the orginal thread) However I have this debate all the time with the guys I train with. I think the 5-6 meal day plan is simply bull****, its not practical, and its been my observation that it doesn't/won't work for 99% of the people in the world. I think its really for body builders only. Let me speak to a situation I had a few years back. A I am active duty Marine MGySgt. A few years ago I was the NCOIC of a Marine "A" school. To try and make a long story shorter this is the first school for our new Marines after they finish boot camp, and Marine Combat Training. Its the training that they get for their occupational specialty. Our school was about 30 training days long, with about a week indoc in front of that for a total of about 40 days. We had a very vigorous training program, along with the academic studies. Not boxing, but regular Marine Corps Physical training, of about 5-6 hours per week (3 days). Lots of running, pushups, pullups, ab work, the Marine Corps Martial arts program, etc. etc. The vast majority of our Marines also spent many hours in the gym on their own time. Playing sports, lifting weights, running, etc. We very closely monitored their bodyweight, and their physical performance. I questioned most of them about their diets. We found that Marines who ate just 3 balanced meals a day, were much more likely to maintain a lower bodyfat %, and do better on the Physical fitness test. In fact they seem to do better academicly also? We had many that were on a 5-6 meal a day plan, carrying containers of food around, or eating supplements. Without fail these Marines had a tendicty to have a higher % of bodyfat, run slower, and over all do more poorly on our PFT. I used to keep records of this for my own personal research. I tracked over 1200 students in 2 years. Every kid we had with weight control issues could not get his weight under control by eating 5-6 times a day. They always ate too much in the end, and were always hungry. Even when working out hard everyday. Under the normal three meal a day plan (mostly chow hall food) the meals were not small, (not huge) but balanced, normal sized, and the Marines felt full enough without being stuffed to get to the next meal 5-6 hours away. We used to do our PT from 0400-0500 in the morning. No one had time to eat prior to that very early session, and you wouldn't want to anyhow as you would puke if you had any food on your stomach. We put those kids through a very tough, nonstop about 90 minute workout, and no one seemd to be weak from the fact that they hadn't eaten in about 10 hours? Now you would say that is crap, all the doctors and other so called experts swear by the 5-6 plan. They also say that you have to eat in the morning before you workout, etc. I am speaking from real world experince on this subject. I do have some key points to consider also.

1. Under the 5 day plan your body never gets a rest, its always eating?
It needs a decent rest in between meals. I think eating all the time actually makes you hungrier. Like a baby thats needs to be fed ever two hours? Plus this stuff about your metabolism slowing down if you don't eat every two hours is another load of BS. it may slow down if you don't eat anything for 24hrs, but not after 4-5 hours. That is just common sense. If we had to graze like a cow all day, we would have more than 1 stomach.

2. Most people will not eat 5-6 small meals, they will eat 5-6 regular meals. Most people aren't satisfied with a "small meal". Myself included.

3. Because its such a pain in the ass to be worring about what and when your eating all the time, people tend to eat high calorie snacks.
Protein Bars, etc. A waste of money, and doubtful nutritional value.

4. Doesn't it seem funny that the US population has expoded in obsese people since this 5-6 plan has been considered the way to go? Look how fat most of the top heavyweights are today. Not out of condition but carrying allot of extra bodyfat.


I have observed many different fighters that were trying to make weight. None could get there on the 5-6 meal plan. Most ate 1 or two real meals a day, with lots of water and fruit in between.

Lastly I have read countless bio's on famous fighters training routines and diets. Very, very few eat more than 2-3 times a day. Even the Heavyweights. If you read Marciano's, Dempsey's, and even Jack Johnsons book you will be surprized how little they ate?

I have no personal training certs, or a college degree in nutrition, I'll be the first to admit that. But I know what i have seen work, and not work.

 

interesting

 

That's down to an idividual not knowing when to stop. You can't say the priciple doesn't work because people don't know wtf they are doing. The idea is 3 large meals (like you say you already do above) and 2-3 smaller snacks to keep the metabolism going.

Potein bars - carbs and protein. Wheres the waste? It's a small snack.

You're saying people in the US are fat because they eat 5-6 healthy meals a day? Bollocks.

Who did they employ as a nutritionist?

Proves nothing.

I've seen many people use the 5-6 meal diet and it works fine.

 

Duncan Dokiwari

Holyfield

 

someone around my weight i'd have to say kessler,great proportions,big chest and good abs.

 

Name me one top athete (professional) in any sport besides Bodybuilding, or weightlfting who reallly eats 5-6 times day? and not the local weightlifter hero at the your gym. I also spoke to several members of the world Champion NY Gaints football team at their training camp last summer about their workouts and diet. Their chow hall served three meals, but every guy said he normally only ate twice a day? In his book even Arnold said he always did his first workout in the morning on an empty stomach? These examples prove nothing right?

Lastly the human body is not a fire burning wood, a silly example I have heard a million times.

Check out the "Warrior Diet" by Ori Hofmekler

Will give you some historical prospective on all how diets have shaped societies. Especially the recent 5-6 meal a day stuff. Its an interesting book, check it out.

 

He specifically said 3 real meals, and two snacks in between. I eat 6 "meals" a day and I'm not fat, far from it in fact.

 

Don't argue with me, go argue with the nutrition professionals at T-Nation.com. I'm sure they'd like to hear your thoughts and theories which debunk their years of research.

 

No arguement and its nothing personal here. Its just that I have heard all the experts (like T-Nation.com) go on and on for years while average people just get fatter and fatter. I'm just a Marine who goes but what i actually see. Not what I hear. Because most of what I hear about almost anything is BS. Everything from Iraq to boxing. I trust my own obsevations and insticints, and little else. Its kept me alive to this point, and I trust it.