Which Heavyweight Champions Does Archie Moore Beat?

Hard to cherry pick guys like Douglas, Moorer, Ingo, Rahman, and the like who couldn't manage one successful defense. They only have the one fight to judge. Foreman only really has the one as well before he decided, he just wanted to cherry pick and watch Holyfield collect titles from the sidelines.

Kudos to them for winning the title against over confident, injured, and ill prepared champions.

Too bad Moore didn't have that luxury.

 

Well as it stands he fought two of the smallest heavyweights that ever lived who incidentally wouldn't even be heavyweights in a latter period.. One of them was 21 years old while the other was 33 and in the last fight of his career. And no I don't buy the argument that just because they looked spectacular against MOORE that they were at their best, but actually eludes to something else.. If we really need to lower the bar for Moore by putting him in with a 7 fight Leon Spinks or a 250 lbs Douglas, or a 47 year old Foreman then it just illustrates how poor his chances are... Moore was a great light heavyweight and a man who could beat some decent heavyweight contenders.. But fate did not pan out for him to be a champion in that class... Much like Bob Foster and a number of others we can think of.

 

Yes this is still 100% your implication "if he can't get past Marciano and Patterson the disadvantage is going to increase". This is totally implying size is the be all and end all again.

It is saying everyone else is bigger so no chance Archie!

Size is a factor, but so is greatness. For a smaller guy to win he has to be a great deal better or smarter than the big guy. Nobody was smarter than Archie and he beat plenty of big guys. He knew how to do it. Proven at it in fact. Surely there are defending champions out there who could drop a fight to a proven world class big man beater?

If size was the only factor how come Moore beat so many world class big guys? You need to look at all the angles to at least be fair here.

 

No.. Not 100%.. But it is a factor. and there are many who rate Marciano and Patterson as being low in the head to head department anyway. Archie got his butt kicked convincingly by both and when neither were at their best.. Maybe if he had beaten one of them or given them fits we could make a case? But no.

No.. I said in my opening statement that there weren't "many" he could pull off against, a position I still stand by and yes size would be a factor.

Moore was a great light heavyweight. Not a great heavyweight.

And sometimes its still not enough nor was it always enough during his actual career.

Any of em' world champions?

When cherry picking the very worst of the lot and when they were at low points in their career the way that Mongoose has? Yes. But that doesn't say anything about Moore's greatness as a lot of people could have pulled that off and in fact did..

Again, he never beat a world champion or even came close to doing so and failed in two attempts against probably two out of a small handful of champions that he'd ever have a chance of pulling it off against. One of them was past his prime.. The other was still a work in progress.. Both being among the smallest. And both handed his lunch to him...Do you really think that a 40 year old 5'11", 188 lb Moore is beating a 29 year old 6'4", 230 lb Buster Douglas on the night he beat MIKE TYSON? I seriously doubt it.. On the flip side you could put him in with the Douglas who showed up 8 months later without an ounce of determination in him and appearing to not have trained a day for the fight, and MAYBE he'd get a title.. But again that's a weak argument as obscure contenders who most have never heard of could have dome the same. Doesn't say anything about Moore.

 

Since when is Marciano rated low in head to head department? Never heard that one

 

I don't think your argument that Moore couldn't even beat the specific champions you listed because he lost to Marciano and Patterson is a convincing one.

Douglas of Holyfield
Moorer of Foreman
Ingo of Patterson 2
Foreman of Axel

Moore would and could beat these guys to win the gold.

I think Moore could beat better than that but this is the claim I'm addressing.

 

I have.:good

 

Do you rate all The 180-210 heavies who dominated for the first 70 years of the century low?

Next to Louis and Dempsey, Marciano may be the best of that bunch.

 

:good that's new on me too.