Which heavyweight do you think has the more power

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  1. SuzieQ49

    SuzieQ49 The Manager Full Member

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    Ok, then Joe Louis and Mike Tyson
     
  2. Chris Warren

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    Mike Tyson and Joe Louis could turn the fight around again 200 plus pound world class fighters? I think not
     
  3. TheGreatA

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    He changed the course of the Walcott II, Conn, Pastor II, Mauriello, Braddock fights with single punches in my opinion.

    Walcott said he didn't know where he was after the first right hand counter by Louis and the follow-up combination was "after the fact".

    Conn was countered by a right hand and became a punching bag after that.

    Pastor was rallying in the late rounds, until Louis unleashed a right hand bomb having figured out Pastor's tricky movement. Pastor didn't get up.

    Mauriello hurt Louis early but failed to follow-up as Louis recovered and put him down with a left hook.

    Braddock hung in tough, until a right hand put him to sleep.

    You could also make the case that Schmeling was finished after the right hand that buckled him, and the beating that followed was just Louis pounding on a defenseless opponent.

    Of course this thread was not about KO'ing with one punch but changing a fight with one punch. A case can certainly be made for Louis.
     
  4. SuzieQ49

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    Also I would like to make a shoutout to Sonny Liston, who was getting pummeled early on by Cleveland Williams until Listons toughness and punching power turned the fight around. Also Liston turned the fights around against 6'5 205lb Mike Dejohn and 6'3 211lb Nino Valdez with a rib breaking shot to the body.
     
  5. mcvey

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    Latino or Hispanic ? Well that narrows it down considerably.
    Why respond? I thought you had forgotten to add that bit.
     
  6. SuzieQ49

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    Come again? Are you living in dream world? No one was better at it than Louis and Tyson. Certainly not foreman, who was incapable of turning around the Young and Ali fights.
     
  7. McGrain

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    Liston also showed good tactical adjustments in those fights.

    He said of the first one, "I knew after that fight that I didn't have a weak point on my body. Because that guy hit me everywhere, up and down".

    His offense got him out of trouble basically, yeah.
     
  8. McGrain

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    :lol:

    This might be worth sitting up for.
     
  9. SuzieQ49

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    Dejohn and Valdez were both giving Liston a bit of trouble early, but in both fights a Left hook to the body stopped both fighters dead in there tracks and neither were the same the rest of the fight. Liston actually stopped valdez with a shot to the body.
     
  10. Chris Warren

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    SuzieQ and Tyson couldnt turn it around against Buster Douglas or James Tillis. Joe Louis couldnt do it in the first fight with Max Schmelling so what is your point SusieQ? Foreman cant have a off night? Are you insane? Joe Louis fought 3rd tier hacks which is why they called his opponents bum of the month
     
  11. TheGreatA

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    To be fair to Foreman, he did show the ability to change a fight with one punch against Young (the 7th round) but he was not able to follow up and finish his opponent off unlike other fighters that have been mentioned (Louis, Tyson).
     
  12. Chris Warren

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    Its funny when you see people critize Foreman for struggling with some opponents but praise other fighters for doing the same thing. Louis couldnt knock out Ezzard Charles a light heavyweight. Tyson couldnt knock out Tony Tucker but does it mean he cant punch? Nobody knocks out everybody, nobody has 100 percent knockouts. Foreman apparently did something right since he had a higher ko percentage than Louis or Tyson.

    Foreman made Holyfield fear his power, Tyson on the other hand got knocked out by him
     
  13. SuzieQ49

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    When Liston danced across the ring to shake hands with the vanquished Mike, DeJohn refused to shake and angrily accused Sonny of uppercutting him when down on one knee the second time. Their handlers separated them." -United Press International


    "Yes, I uppercutted him, but I didn't know he had a knee on the floor. I'm sorry about it but he's so tall I didn't realize he had a knee down." -Sonny Liston


    :lol::lol: Sonny was a hoot!
     
  14. McGrain

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    Verbally, he was very literate. I love his patter.
     
  15. SuzieQ49

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    Actually you are wrong. That was not the reason they called it "Bum of the month". In fact most of the men who were on the tour were highly qualified Ring Magazine top 10 contenders....Certainly not the cannon fodder George Foreman feasted on early in his career. I don't think there has ever been a olympic champion who was protected through his first 35 pro fights as much as foreman....Talk about being overprotected. In 1972 Foreman fought 5 fights...3 of the mens records were 4-20, 1-14, and 4-16! LMAO. The only Ring Magazine top 10 contender he faced in his first 35 fights was the aging Chuvalo. The only other decent fighter he fought was the aging Gregorio Peralta who was an ex lightheavyweight who gave foreman 10 difficult rounds. Louis on the otherhand in his first 3 years as pro took on 4 ormer champions and 7 Ring Magazine contenders.