Which heavyweight you rank higher ATG, Vitali Klitschko or Riddick Bowe

If you rate Bowe higher than Vitali, then you are not apart of that group.

 

Who one rates higher is irrelevant. Its just an opinion and nothing more... what IS relevant is the construction of one's argument and the reasoning behind it.. A knowledgable person on a given subject knows how to defend their position intelligently.. This forum has become void of such skills these days and has been replaced with daft comments and empty rhetoric...

 

I don't know who the hell you are and if I have run into you before or not

i don't care if you have loved, hated or never read my posts before,,,

i have no offense against you, i simply don't know you , understand me ???

everybody on this forum is aware i am the BEST poster we have got when it comes down to the real nitty gritty

everyone on this forum is simply aware that i am crazy and it COSTs to get it out of me as it does not come for free in this forum, life or boxing

everyone is aware when i claim EVERYBODY i am really only claiming ME but i simply refuse to not have fun with this one rule my friend

ok, now onto my post

prior to Lewis, Briggs had been at WAR with several of his trainers for WHAT ???

PACING himself that's what mcvey

do i make this up?

i do not make it up, i followed Briggs before he went PRO

as a young fighter he was a huge prospect of sorts, i had heard lots about him in the training business, he had some of the fastest hands the heavy weight division had ever seen for his size and strength,,, seriously , don't forget, back then we were more IMPRESSED far more easily as hard as it is for others to admit these days after SEEING so much so many times speed up, rewounded and played infinite times over and over when we were all aware it was coming ,,,.

Plus Briggs was pretty good size and could throw SICK combos,,,, he also could mix it up and had LOTs of bravado as well my friend,

however, his trainers had one big problem with him, he didn't PACE himself very well much like all prospects that are EXCELLENT at certain levels fail to learn as well,,

its not the amount of PUNCHEs a dude throws in a match, its the FORCE that the dude throws those punches at that make for the PACE mcvey

does that makes sense mcvey ??

Admit it publically on ESB that my point makes sense

or don't mcvey

you have gone about calling other POSTERs less than credible for REFUSING to reply to you correct ??

the choice is yours correct ??

just to be nice to you i will post a following POST of what i would have incorporated into my next POST had you admitted that you were INCORRECT on your point about PACING with Shannon Briggs as it relates directly to his fight with Lennox Lewis

well, i know the rest of the forum wants to read it so i wont just do it for you mcvey, i will do it to HELP with the overall readership here at ESB as the best boxing forum on the web,,,,, or so i have heard :rasta

 

Ok fine i am BLUFFING about what i could of potentially been about to POST into ESB is everyone happy i was honest and didn't let everyone keep waiting ???

I have mental problems, don't judge me so harshly please consider the consequences of judging the mental HARSHLY ???

however, to be a good sport and to show my sincerity i will attempt to MAKE UP a FAKE POST regarding the point about Shannon Briggs and PACING in his fight with Lennox Lewis,

its the only sporting thing left for me

my honour against the reader at ESBs interest ,,,

mano de mano ,,,

here goes,,,,

I knew some one close to Shannon's trainer, well a few,

Briggs was winning FIGHTs early in his career by doing things his trainiers had specifically asked him NOT to do, that being, KO dudes right away.

When i say they asked him not to KO dudes right away i mean they were asking him to GO a FEW ROUNDs with guys and he was NOT going a few rounds with guys when asked.

The result was confusion, his trainers wanted him to KO dudes by PACING himself over a few rounds but Briggs was NOTORIOUS early in his career for tagging a guy early with his great hand speed and getting excited and blasting the guy right out full force thereafter to LOOK GREAT,,,

Briggs kept on claiming to his trainers,,,,

"its not my fault he couldn't last with me" and his trainers kept on saying,,,,

"that's not what we meant, we meant , after you tagged him you went NUTs and BET all everything you could take him out if you went full force, we want you to get rounds and then take him out right after WE tell you to go and take him out after you come back to the corner between rounds so we can tell you its TIME to do it Shannon"

this is a OLD TRAINING method and why?

It allows the trainer to TEACH the fighter CONTROL while in a MATCH not just SPARRING and then leads to greater confidence for both fighter and trainer thereafter,,,

teaching during a MATCH is way more important than during sparring ??

Go and RE-WATCH Shannons very first loss, Shannon was facing his first DECENT opponent , BUT a opponent that he was supposed to take out easy so thought everyone except his trainers and why? They were so pissed at him because he simply didn't listen to their points about PACING, even in sparring he didn't listen about PACING very well,,,, anyways, they kept telling him,

"Shannon, one day your going to throw your super fast powerful punches and they are going to bang off your opponents head and he will NOT loose focus and not step back confused and dazed, he will increase his punch and level of punch force back at you and if you run out of steam before he does your DEAD"

that's what they would say, i swear

do you want more ???

Should i go on ???

Ok a few more lines couldn't hurt could they ??? Its not like i am controlling the reader to continue reading now is it ???

Anyhow, sure enough, as soon as Shannon's first BIG TIME fight comes along and by BIG TIME i mean the first time he was picked up on TV as a undercard for some other bigger fight he fights this guy that cant recall who he was but he was decent i recall,,,,,, as in NO CAKE walk for Briggs and on TV for either the first or second time without any losses to date at that time,,,

Briggs comes out looking like Tyson doing the seek and destroy method, but Tyson was trained by a friend of mine and thus Tyson didn't GAS because my friend did not **** around with his fighters and they didn't become fighters if they kept gassing as he would stop training them,,,,

not so for Shannon, Briggs comes out and he is like a freaking animal with speed and reflex jumping on his opponent like a cat hammering a mouse, everyone is expecting a quick KO and all the sudden Briggs in 1 or 2 rounds gets tagged while going crazy trying to get a KO and now Briggs is SPENT and now his opponent has survived Briggs hardest FORCE already,,,,

Briggs gets taught a LESSON and is KOed after only a few punches


than again, i am probably just BLUFFING so don't trust me, just read on and choose for yourselves with no offense and only friendly ego from me,,,,

I know this as this same thing happened to me in my career, simply on a far smaller scale,,,, please hold your laughter,,,,

i had a big right hand, when i started sparring the other guys would do the Zab Judah when i hit them with it,

i loved it, if they didn't do the Zab i would put more force into my straight right and they would do the Zab,,,,

i kept moving up and finally i ran into guys that didn't look much but often had mashed noses and facial scars, sure enough i ran into a dude that took all the force i had to offer and then he just chased me around the ring hitting me while everyone that came to see me was thinking i suddenly became ILL and stopped fighting just when i was getting close to winning,,,

then go REWATCH Briggs in his first loss and briggs in against Lewis,,,

they are not that much different,,, if you think i am bragging about my career you have missed the point that this is a common CONCEPT among people in the BOXING business on the ground level or at least closely connected to it

whats confusing you is in Briggs later fights after Lewis he still has pretty great hand speed but he does not throw with the FORCE as he did early in his career, if he "THINKs" he has his opponent hurt he does not BET the FARM any longer, early in his career he does keep betting the farm

the rule of THUMB about this is SIMPLE,,,

if your opponent is HURT pretend your OPPONENT is not HURT and keep fighting exactly the same way you would if he is not HURT

thus instead of LOAD up begin to JAB, put the guy down with a NORMAL forced shot and if he doesn't get back up then you are LEARNING,,,,,,by loading up everytime you have NO CLUE what to do if you miss knocking your oppoenent out now do you ESB ???

always save the EXTRA for LATER even if your POSITIVE there will never be a later,,,

other than the last 10 seconds as that's the time to make a bet if you believe you need one

Briggs knows he is in tough against Lewis prior to fighting Lewis, thus he comes into that fight and does something he had in some ways got a little better at since his first loss to whoever that guy was that gave him his first loss, regardless, when Briggs faces Lewis he is using FORCE in those first few rounds, going back to his old seek and destroy ways

Shannon had some fast hands for a heavy and he showed it against Lewis and you can SEE with your own EYEs the point in time when Lewis realizes he is in TROUBLE, as in Lewis realizes he is in trouble not Briggs, as soon as he does Lewis goes into SLIP and SURVIVE MODE which all the greats use with experience to survive and Shannon still catches him and hurts him a few times but at COST of missing him with very forceful shots, shots that build up lactic acid that make even the strongest of us feel very weak,,,

then Lewis has taken Brigg's best shot and KNOWs Briggs is spent, you know that in the ring and why?

TWO THINGs,

1: The EYEs mcvey, the eyes NEVER LIE, they are a force of nature, PRIOR to being SPENT Briggs acts as if he is a LION TAMER and prior to being SPENT Briggs pretends to act as if he is a LION TAMER while Lewis for the first time SWITCHEs to acting like a LION TAMER, which you can also SEE when re-watching this fight.

2: The FORCE,,, yes its soon after Briggs hits Lewis with a POWDERPUFF FAST punch that Lewis feels a LACK of FORCE and sees Briggs suddenly pretend to look tough for the first time since the first bell, at this point Lewis stops the duck and survive and says , "you want to trade?" and he comes after Briggs and Briggs runs for a bit and takes a few decent shots because Lewis can HIT,,,, finally Briggs has some time to run across the ring if memory serves correct and concedes to himself within and without that he is in way over his head because of how dizzy he is and how much his HEAD and EARs etc are ringing and just as he does that Lewis lands clean on him again and he falls to the ground and the fight is rightfully stopped,,, if memory serves he got up or was at least not cold, he was DAZED and DAZED fighters that stand often fight like hammered people even if they are hammered, they don't have it going on FULLY

mcvey, don't you dare be offended by what i have typed, i don't have anything personal against you.

i am mostly crazy for real, i am in a hospital from brain damage from fighting most likely, i had no schooling, all i did was box and fight for my meal moneys when i got caught stealing them

Ok, someone just rang my doorbell, i cant finish the rest of this POST,,,,

just trust me

 

what the fukk happened to this forum? from what dung heap did these absolute mental midgets blossom?

 

a decay in society has produced excretion matters such as foremansjab, wass1985 and that idiot above latineg

 

So basically anyone who disagrees with your opinion and schools you on a thread is excretion in your opinion. :nut

Funny you say these things because you are the most egregiously ignorant, bias and belligerent cancer like plague on this forum.

If you were a little brighter maybe you would do some introspection and realize why so many people are disagreeing with you and making fun of you. :hi:

 

Though you are a cut above some of those mentioned,[not too hard to achieve,]I think you will find most on here are taking the **** out of you.
If you are happy to be aligned with the likes of Wass,Mendoza and this new alien Latineg ,then you must be judged by the company you keep.

ps
If you want to impress us with words like egregiously, you need to add ed to bias , as in biased.
I wouldnt have mentioned it, but you made point of correcting Azzer on another thread with this gem.


]*You're

"Misspelling the first word in a sentence when you are tring to demean the intelligence of another poster. How embarrassing [/quote"



Petard hoisted!

 

They know **** all about boxing just like you.

 

I'll address one point.

If Briggs's people wanted him to go more rounds before stopping his opponents,why not just get him better opponents?
Take a look at the quality of his first 30 abysmal !Of his first 22 ,only 4 had winning records.

Other than this .NO COMMENT ,as I dont speak Martian.

N .B. Trust me ,I'm glad you don't know me ,and more importantly where I live.

 

he knows more than you.

shall we take a trip down memory lane and talk about some of your greatest hits?

 

He knows about as much about boxing as you do about your mum.

 

This coming from a troll who had all his accounts not only banned but completely vaporised out of existence.

You started off well. Trying to be neutral , slipping in pro-klitschko , fanatical propaganda under the cracks.
But it didn't take long for you to revert back to the tommo/glover/max-power full-**** persona.

 

Yeh

hes the guy who said Shannon Briggs at 40 was better than Shannon Briggs at 26 atsch

And you?

heres a list of your greatest hits.

Wass1985: Tua was a better puncher than Tyson
Azzer85: Ok then name me Tuas top ten list of victims
Wass1985: ...........silence

Wass1985: Sam Peters was a better puncher than Tyson
Azzer85: Ok then name me Sam Peters top ten list of victims
Wass1985: ...........silence

Wass1985: Tyson was over the hill at 23
Azzer85: Purrity, a guy with 13 losses, knocked out Wladmir who was 22
Wass1985: But Wladmir gassed

Wass1985: Peters beat greater and bigger fighters than Tyson did
Azzer85: name some
Wass1985: ...........silence

Wass1985: Tyson never beat anyone as big as Ross Purrity, and Tyson too would have gassed
Azzer85: Ross Purrity 6'2
Tony Tucker 6'6,
Tyrell Biggs 6'5
Jose Ribalta 6'5
Wass1985: ...........silence