Which Heavyweights fall from Rocky's right?

Are you sure you ain't gonna copy and paste a round by round and pretend you watched it?

 

And Wlad should be penalized for what he does, it's like saying "well has Holyfield's strategy failed him since he started headbutting."

 

It's one thing to kind of clinch and infight, and be rough, but clinching is illegal especially in excess. The should be zero tolerance for clinching if the fighter has no intention on infighting as wlad does.

It have become and norm that refs just let it slide.

Hypothetically, would you say it is acceptable if a fighter had no intention on fighting but only clinching, let's say for say of argument fighter a jabs in way in to fighter b a nd clinxhes. And after every break repeats the process. Or let's say fighter a doesn't even through punches, and just tried to clinch. Can you really say that should be allowed? At wlads rate if hugging he should have lost many of time due to point deductions alone.

 

Clinching IS illegal. Always has been.

However, in profesional boxing the money fighter gets the most leyway. This is an unwritten rule but what actually happens when negotiations bout officials come into play.

When Frank Bruno fought Mike Tyson he was losing points in the First round for holding. Even in the return fight when Bruno was the defending champ he was penalised.

Ricky Haton was allowed to hit hold and maul his way to victory in Manchester but not in Vegas.

 

Fair comment. A tall fighter should fight tall. I agree with your assessment of Wlad's style; it is efficiently minimalist and he's very good at what he does.

While I agree also that infighting should not form part of his gameplan as a norm, I still think it would be nice to know that he can throw a sneaky uppercut or two and be able to turn his man inside if he needs to, without constantly holding and clinching.

In any event, unless someone can beat him at his own game (fighting on the outside) or is strong enough or slippery enough to throw him off in the clinches, he'll probably never need these skills.

 

You haven't a clue.

Excessive clinching is ILLEGAL.

Headlocks are ILLEGAL

Jumping on backs is ILLEGAL

Pushing down on necks is ILLEGAL

When Wlad was made box within the rules he either struggled badly or got knocked out against weak opponents.

You think Wlad decides on a whim during a fight he going to foul like that?
No. Its all planned in camp and he's told not to worry about being DQ'd because they will put Pabon or some other paid off ref in there to protect him.
Wlad is not allowed to lose by people behind the scenes who you have no clue about. He is a bougus champ and an utter disgrace to boxing.

 

What size tin foil hat are you wearing these days?

 

Yes because he had a crooked American referee. The SAME referee who later allowed Hopkins to continually cling on to Calzaghe like a limpet in their fight.

Nothing unusual there then.

Speaking of which, I see the NON American Klitchko is typically getting abused on here for clinching, yet during his reincarnation from 1970 until his eventual demise the ONLY thing Ali could do when his opponents got close was cling onto their necks like a cheap scarf, with no intention of trying to punch.

Funnily enough, he doesn't get abused for it in the same way Klitchko does.

Again, nothing unusual there then.

 

Excessive clinching isn't allowed. If you watched boxing you would know this.
Anybody can be effective at it. You make it sound like its a skill. Its not. Its a fail safe so Wlad does not get knocked out again because he's to useless to box.

 

I think that whatever the opinion on Wlad's holding in general, he went way over the top with it in his last fight, to the point where it was a case of throwing a punch in between the clinching.

 

what fights in particular did Ali foul to the extent he should have been DQd and when did he racially taunt anyone in the ring to the extent he would be DQd?