Which HW fighter has the best style to beat a Prime Joe Louis

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  1. Mendoza

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    Holmes. Like Ali in , many ways but with better weaponry.

    You could actually argue for a few others.
     
  2. Mendoza

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    Fans here might not want to hear it, but Wlad's jab and right hand would be target practice against the low guard, stick his face forward style of Louis, who could not match Wlad's range or footwork and really did not have a top level chin.

    Louis has a puncher's chance, and he would need to land it sooner, because if he didn't later would not be around.
     
  3. mcvey

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    Louis didnt have a top level chin.Did Wlad?lol Louis was stopped by two heavyweights who were champions one when he was complacent and over confident and he shipped a ton of right hands before he was counted out.The other time when he was a relic of the fighter he had been and he was gradually ground down to a position of helplessness.
     
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  4. reznick

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    I don't see it. When Wlad gets tagged hard, his aura of invincibility crumbles fast.

    I think Wlad would need to go every round without getting hit with one big shot.
    And there's no way he avoids a prime Louis' haymaker the whole night.
     
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  5. Mendoza

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    Neither had a top level chin! So it comes down to who has the range, length, footwork, and ring smarts to land their best first. Men like Galento floored Louis. Men like the 168 Billy Conn stunned him.

    Schmeling who pretty much had Louis seeing stars after his first big right hand in round 4 ( I think ) does not hit as hard as Wlad, nor does he had the range, size, weight, hook, etc...

    Judging by how easily Goody clinched and mauled Louis, Wlad would own him if a clinch was needed.

    Wlad by the way hold the record for heavyweight champions not being floored. 10+ years, so obviously he knows how to protect his chin. You might not give him style points, but it's clear he's an expert at doing it.
     
  6. mcvey

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    The difference is Louis was never ko'd by journeymen!
     
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  7. VG_Addict

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    He'd pick Louis off with his jab, and KO him with his right.

    Wlad is bigger, stronger, faster, and hits harder. No way Louis wins.
     
  8. Mendoza

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    And Wlad was never KO'd by sub 200-pound men. Louis was twice. He was also beaten badly by a 184-pound man on points and slapped around / down on points to a fighter weighing 168 pounds who won have beaten him if the fight was 12 rounds.

    Suddenly running out of gas in one fight vs a very durable and Journeyman pre title run doesn't look so bad.

    In addition, most of the people Louis fought in title fights would be non-top ten ranked opponents at heavyweight in Wlad's time.

    Need I add more? I can link an older post showing the best boxers Louis fought outpointed him. Lucky for Louis none of them had Wlad's size or power.
     
  9. reznick

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    Wlad was not faster than Louis.
    He was less agile, less balanced, and can't move his body as one unit like Louis could.
    He had less stamina than Louis, and wasn't nearly as accurate.

    Joe Louis was one of the most accurate boxers in history.
    He is up there with Mayweather and Lomachenko, two incredible tacticians.

    Louis would do circles around Wlad, countering his jabs with his footwork and accuracy.
    When it came to finding openings, Louis was a genius imo
    I can see Louis landing a straight right on the inside. As Wlad tries to lean on him, Louis reaches for hook to the head and lands it. Wlad stumbles, Louis finishes him.
     
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  10. VG_Addict

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    Wlad would be too big and strong for Louis to fight him on the inside.
     
  11. cleglue1

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    Wlad beat Louis....hahahahahahahaha. Wlad doesn't like getting hit. Louis hits him and hits him hard.
     
  12. VG_Addict

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    Louis's punches wouldn't hurt Wlad. He's too small.
     
  13. Mendoza

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    What film are you watching? Wlad is a very mobile and agile big man, with far faster feet than " Shuffling Joe", a denigratory term of those who saw him do to his linear approach and shuffling. Comparing Louis to Mayweather and Lomo? Not a chance! Those guys had great footwork, and were more accurate & much better on defense.

    Both Louis and Wlad had fast hands, but Wlad with his far greater height and reach combined with much better and faster footwork would be able to zone Louis where he could land, and Louis could not.

    Wlad is a master of distance. Louis would not slip his jab and would eat right hands. He could only take so much and would need to land his best first.

    I'm not saying Louis wasn't accurate. He was vs most, but his era wasn't very defensive and the defensive fighters with he fought made him look rather unskilled. Wlad has a good defense and like I said if needed to clinch would easily move Louis around the ring and put his weight down on him tiring him out.

    If Galento can floor you....and B Bear can floor you two relatively unskilled guys, how good is your defense? If Braddock coming off a long layoff can floor you? Ask yourself what would a prime Wlad do.

    Joe Walcott who spared and boxed with Louis said he was easy to hit. Yes, he was. Lucky for Louis there were very few boxer-puncher types in his day. Schmeling and Charles if you call him a puncher were it, and he lost to both of them.
     
  14. Mendoza

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    Disagree here. However, Louis used light gloves. Modern 12 oz gloves would diminish his power a bit
     
  15. cleglue1

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    Okay thats like saying Gennady Golovkin's punches don't hurt because he is 160 lbs. I'm pretty sure Joe Louis would have banged the **** out of Wlad's rib cage.