Which is close, and which is not..

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  1. LordJomski

    LordJomski Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Manny Pacquioa defeated Juan Manuel Marquez in their third meeting.. It was a close fight.. A case can be made for either boxer winning.. Though you can make one for a Marquez win, the idea that it was a one-sided fight favoring Marquez was really puzzling..

    On the other hand, Timothy Bradley defeated Manny Pacquioa by a split decision.. A decision which was labelled by most fans as one of the worst decision in boxing history..

    If we compare these two fights..
     
  2. LordJomski

    LordJomski Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Pacquio - Marquez III

    http://boxrec.com/media/index.php/Manny_Pacquiao_vs._Juan_Manuel_Marquez_%283rd_meeting%29

    Blake Dreisbach, BleacherReport.com: 116-112 Marquez
    Gabriel Montoya, MaxBoxing.com: 116-112 Marquez
    Ron Borges, The Sweet Science/Boston Herald/Ring Magazine: 117-112 Marquez
    Tim Smith, New York Daily News: 116-112 Marquez
    Lem Satterfield, Ring Magazine: 117-111 Marquez
    Mark Lyons, 8CountNews.com: 116-112 Marquez
    Michael Marley, The Examiner: 115-113 Marquez
    Mike Coppinger, RingTV.com: 115-113 Marquez
    Al Bernstein: 115-113 Marquez
    Wayne McCullough: 115-113 Marquez
    Ryan Maquinana, ***********.com: 116-113 Marquez
    Matt Hamilton, EsNews.com: 116-115 Marquez
    Ed Graney, Las Vegas Review-Journal: 115-113 Marquez
    Bob Sheridan: 115-114 Marquez
    John Katsilometes, Las Vegas Sun: 115-114 Marquez
    Bart Barry, 15Rounds.com: 117-113 Marquez
    Bill Dwyer, Los Angeles Times: 115-113 Marquez
    Pedro Fernandez, RingTalk.com: 116-113 Marquez
    Chris Williams, BoxingNews24.com: 117-111 Marquez
    Eric Raskin, TheSweetScience.com: 116-112 Marquez
    Lyle Fitzsimmons, The Sports Network: 116-112 Marquez
    Steve Bunce, BBC: 117-111 Marquez
    Matt Lynch, BoxingToday: 116-112 Marquez
    Chuck Giampa, Retired Boxing Judge: 116-112 Marquez
    Glyn Leach, Boxing Monthly: 115-113 Marquez
    Briggs Seekins, BleacherReport.com: 115-113 Marquez
    Oly Goldstein, BadLeftHook.com: 116-112 Marquez
    Johnny Benz, DogHouseBoxing.com: 118-111 Marquez
    Lance Pugmire, Los Angeles Times: 115-113 Marquez
    George Willis, New York Post: 115-113 Marquez
    Rich Thomas, ProBoxing-Fans.com: 116-112 Marquez
    Raj Parmar, 3MoreRounds.com: 115-113 Marquez
    Norm Frauenheim, 15Rounds.com: 115-113 Marquez
    Martin Rogers, Yahoo! Sports: 115-113 Marquez
    James Slater, EastSideBoxing.com: 116-112 Marquez
    Nick Tylwalk, BoxingWatchers.com: 115-113 Marquez
    Bob Velin, USAToday: 115-113 Marquez
    Chris Manix, Sports Illustrated: 116-112 Marquez
    Igor Guryashkin, ESPN: Marquez by one round
    Brent Brookhouse, SB Nation: 115-113 Marquez
    Will Cooling, FOX Sports/InsideFights: 118-110 Marquez
    Andrew Fruman, The Boxing Bulletin: 116-112 Marquez
    Ben Thompson, FightHype.com: 115-113 Marquez
    Rich Marotta, KFI Los Angeles: 115-113Marquez
    Dan Ambrose, BoxingNews24.com: 116-112 Marquez
    Kevin Mitchell, The Guardian: 117-114 Marquez
    Paul Magno, The Boxing Tribune: 115-113 Marquez
    Jerry Izenberg, Newark Star-Ledger: 115-114 Marquez
    Robert Morales, Los Angeles Daily News: 116-112 Marquez
    Scott Christ, Bad Left Hook: 115-113 Marquez
    Fox Doucette, The Boxing Tribune: 115-113 Marquez
    Henry Ramirez, Boxing Trainer: 116-113 Marquez
    Thomas Hauser, SecondsOut.com: 116-113 Marquez
    Gerardo Granados, BoxingNews24.com: 116-112 Marquez
    Robert Guerrero: 116-112 Marquez
    Steve Kim, MaxBoxing.com: 115-113 Marquez
    Graham Shaw, SportingLife.com: 116-113 Marquez
    Max Kellerman, HBO: 114-114 Draw
    Brian Arman Graham, Sports Illustrated: 114-114 Draw
    Tim Dahlberg, Associated Press: 114-114 Draw
    Kevin Iole, Yahoo! Sports: 114-114 Draw
    Kieran Mulvaney, ESPN/Reuters: 114-114 Draw
    Dan Rafael, ESPN: 114-114 Draw
    Brian Campbell, ESPN Mobile: 114-114 Draw
    george Elsasser, BraggingRightsCorner.com: 114-114 Draw
    Jake Emen, ProBoxing-Fans.com: 114-114 Draw
    Anthony Whitby, BoxingIQ.com: 114-114 Draw
    Jeff Powell, The Daily Mail (UK): 114-114 Draw
    Pace Miller, BleacherReport.com: 114-114 Draw
    Gareth Davies, London Telegraph: 114-114 Draw
    Larry Merchant, HBO: 114-114 Draw
    Elie Seckbach, ESNews.com/AOL News: 114-114 Draw
    Roy Jones, Jr.: Draw
    Joe Bruiser, FightFan.com: 116-116 Draw
    Michael Wright, ESPNChicago.com: Draw
    Mark Lichtenfeld, Ring Announcer/Member, Ring Magazine Ratings Panel: 114-114 Draw
    Teddy June, RingJunkies.com: 114-114 Draw
    Rick Reeno, ***********.com: 114-114 Draw
    Robert Ecksel, Boxing.com: 114-114 Draw
    Frank Baltazar, Fight Manager/Inductee, California Boxing Hall of Fame: 115-115 Draw
    ****** Tate, BleacherReport.com: 114-114 Draw
    Doug Fischer, Ring Magazine: 114-114 Draw
    Steve Carp, Las Vegas Review-Journal: 114-114 Draw
    Gary Andrew Pool, The Atlantic: 114-114 Draw
    Beau Denison, SportsPageMagazine.com: 114-114 Draw
    Daniel Herbert, Boxing News: 114-114 Draw
    Leighton Ginn, Desert Sun (Palm Springs): 114-114 Draw
    Doveed Linder, BoxingTalk.com: 114-114 Draw
    Bob Papa, HBO: 114-114 Draw
    Andrew Eisele, Boxing.about.com: 115-115 Draw
    Charles Horgan, Boxing Tribune: 114-114 Draw
    Gordon Marino, The Wall Street Journal: 114-114 Draw (Note: At the end of his live blog of the fight, he indicated his belief that Marquez had won; however, in his round-by-round, he scored Rounds 1-2, 5-7 and 12 for Marquez and Rounds 3-4 and 8-11 for Pacquiao.)
    Kevin Cunningham, Boxing Trainer: Draw
    Harold Lederman, HBO: 116-112 Pacquiao
    Joseph Herron, FightSaga: 116-112 Pacquiao
    Cliff Rold, ***********.com: 115-113 Pacquiao
    Will Carroll, Sports Illustrated: 116-112 Pacquiao
    Allen Barra, The Atlantic: 116-113 Pacquiao
    Chris Koegler, TheRealHook.com: 115-113 Pacquiao
    David Kassel, FightHype.com: 115-113 Pacquiao
    Rob Rutz, MyBoxingFans.com: 115-113 Pacquiao
    Sean Sullivan, BoxingDigest: 115-114 Pacquiao
    Ted Sares, Boxing.com: 116-112 Pacquiao
    Brian Mazique, BleacherReport.com: 115-113 Pacquiao
    Glen Anglin, BoxingNews24.com: 115-113 Pacquiao
    Michael Rosenthal, Editor, Ring Magazine: 115-113 Pacquiao
    Skip Bayless, ESPN: 116-112 Pacquiao
    Jake Donovan, ***********.com: 115-113 Pacquiao
    Ken Hissner, DogHouseBoxing.com: 118-110 Pacquiao
    Bill Shimizu, Examiner.com: 115-113 Pacquiao
    Massimo Lopes Pegna, La Gazzetta dello Sport (Italy): 115-114 Pacquiao
    James Foley, BleacherReport.com: 115-114 Pacquiao
    Anthony Lee, BoxingNews24.com: 116-112 Pacquiao
    John McCormick, BoxingTalk.com: 115-113 Pacquiao
    Graham Houston, FightWriter.com/FightNews.com/ESPN: 115-113 Pacquiao
    Nick Fors, Pasionsports.com: 115-113 Pacquiao
    Ronald Geronimo, NowBoxing.com: 115-113 Pacquiao
    Danny Serratelli, EastSideBoxing.com: 115-113 Pacquiao
    Ace Freeman, FightFan.com: 115-113 Pacquiao
    Sean Faye, Eurosport Yahoo!: 116-115 Pacquiao
    Scott Shaffer, BoxingTalk.com: 115-113 Pacquiao
    Nate Ravitz, ESPN: 117-111 Pacquiao
    Mike Chiari, BleacherReport.com: 115-113 Pacquiao
    Patrick L. Stumberg, SBNation: 115-113 Pacquiao
    Colin Seymour, FrontPageBoxing.com/Examiner.com: 115-113 Pacquiao
    Jason Peck, EastSideBoxing.com: 116-112 Pacquiao
    Steve Busfield, The Guardian: 116-114 Pacquiao
    Nick Fox, Bad Left Hook: 115-113 Pacquiao
    Stephen Edwards, BoxingTalk.com: 115-113 Pacquiao
    Max Parker, Boxing Watchers: 115-114 Pacquiao
    Adam Hirshfield, Bleacher Report.com: 115-113 Pacquiao
    King J Gladney, BleacherReport.com: 115-113 Pacquiao
    Ben Weisman, BoxingAsylum.com: 116-113 Pacquiao
    Ken Pollitt, the13thround.com: 116-113 Pacquiao
    Michael David Smith, AOL NEWS/MMA Fighting.com: 115-113 Pacquiao
    Madra Uladh, EastSideBoxing.com: 115-113 Pacquiao
    Michael Woods, ESPN/TheSweetScience.com: 115-114 Pacquiao
    Brad Cooney, 8CountNews.com/Examiner.com: Pacquiao by one round
    "Old Yank" Schneider, Boxing.com: 115-114 Pacquiao
    Greg Leon, BoxingTalk.com: 115-114 Pacquiao
    Steve Marzolf, InsideHBOBoxing.com: 115-114 Pacquiao
    Darrell La Montre, BoxingTalk.com: 115-113 Pacquiao
    Terra (Brazil): 116-112 Pacquiao
    Joel Huerto, SportsFanLive: 115-113 Pacquiao

    None of the above scores for Marquez or a draw is from Mexican media/boxers.
    None of the above scores for Pacquiao or a draw is from Philippine media/boxers.
    Among the unofficial scorers above, 57 scored the bout for Marquez, 51 scored the bout for Pacquiao, and the remaining 36 scored the bout a draw.
     
  3. LordJomski

    LordJomski Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Pacquioa - Bradley

    http://boxrec.com/media/index.php/Manny_Pacquiao_vs._Timothy_Bradley

    Danny Flexen, Boxing News: 115-113 Bradley
    Cameron Sharpe, Boxing Fancast: 115-115 Draw
    Chris Manix, Sports Illustrated: 115-113 Pacquiao
    Lem Satterfield, Ring Magazine: 115-113 Pacquiao
    Gordon Marino, The Wall Street Journal: 115-113 Pacquiao
    Armando Alvarez, Telemundo: 115-113 Pacquiao
    Jake Donovan, ***********.com: 115-113 Pacquiao
    Terry Dooley, ***********.com: 115-113 Pacquiao
    Jordan Capobianco, BoxingNews24.com: 116-112 Pacquiao
    Franklin McNeil, Newark Star-Ledger: 116-112 Pacquiao
    Brett Okamoto, ESPN: 116-112 Pacquiao
    Steve Bunce, BoxNation.com/BBC: 116-112 Pacquiao
    Juan Manuel Marquez: 116-112 Pacquiao
    Max Kellerman, HBO: 116-112 Pacquiao
    Andreas Hale, FightNews.com: 116-112 Pacquiao
    Brian Arman Graham, Sports Illustrated: 116-112 Pacquiao
    George Willis, The New York Post: 116-112 Pacquiao
    Rick Reeno, ***********.com: 116-112 Pacquiao
    Robert Morales, Los Angeles Daily News: 116-112 Pacquiao
    Ben Thompson, FightHype.com: 116-112 Pacquiao
    Tim Smith, New York Daily News: 116-112 Pacquiao
    Suge Green, On the Grind Boxing Radio: 116-112 Pacquiao
    Steve Zemach, The Queensbury Rules.com: 116-112 Pacquiao
    Michael Nelson, TheCruelestSport.com: 116-112 Pacquiao
    Tom Gray, SecondsOut.com: 116-112 Pacquiao
    Joel Sebastionelli, LIITR Box Radio: 116-112 Pacquiao
    CheckHook.com: 116-112 Pacquiao
    ********************: 116-112 Pacquiao
    Ricky Hatton: 116-112 Pacquiao
    Wayne McCullough: 116-112 Pacquiao
    Ken Hissner, DogHouseBoxing.com: 116-112 Pacquiao
    Alexander Belenky, Sport-Express.ru: 116-112 Pacquiao
    Rob Day, RingNews24.com: 117-112 Pacquiao
    Ryan Burton, ***********.com: 117-112 Pacquiao
    Matt Youmans, Las Vegas Review-Journal: 117-111 Pacquiao
    Graham Houston, FightWriter.com/FightNews.com/ESPN: 117-111 Pacquiao
    Stephen Edwards, BoxingTalk.com: 117-111 Pacquiao
    Kieran Mulvaney, ESPN: 117-111 Pacquiao
    Tim Dahlberg, Associated Press: 117-111 Pacquiao
    Ron Borges, Boston Herald: 117-111 Pacquiao
    Cliff Rold, ***********.com: 117-111 Pacquiao
    Chris Robinson, ***********.com: 117-111 Pacquiao
    Steve Carp, Las Vegas Review-Journal: 117-111 Pacquiao
    Ronnie Shields, boxing trainer: 117-111 Pacquiao
    David Mayo, The Grand Rapids Press: 117-111 Pacquiao
    Robert Little, BlackSportsOnline.com: 117-111 Pacquiao
    Jorge Hernandez, The Low Blow.com: 117-111 Pacquiao
    David Greisman, ***********.com: 117-111 Pacquiao
    Benny Henderson, DogHouseBoxing.com: 117-111 Pacquiao
    Ryan Phillips, BleacherReport.com: 117-111 Pacquiao
    Graham Parker, The Guardian (UK): 117-111 Pacquiao
    Ed Graney, Las Vegas Review-Journal: 117-111 Pacquiao
    Luis Sandoval, ***********.com: 117-111 Pacquiao
    Jonathan Sakti, Comcast Sports Net Bay Area: 117-111 Pacquiao
    Richie Tomasini, Comcast Sports Net Bay Area: 117-111 Pacquiao
    Tim Starks, The Queensbury Rules: 117-111 Pacquiao
    Champ Ross, DaTruthBoxing.com: 117-111 Pacquiao
    Lance Pugmire, Los Angeles Times: 117-111 Pacquiao
    Darren Velasco, 8CountNews.com: 117-111 Pacquiao
    Ryan Maquinana, Comcast Sports Net Bay Area: 117-111 Pacquiao
    George Diaz, The Orlando Sentinel: 117-111 Pacquiao
    Steve Kim, MaxBoxing.com: 117-111 Pacquiao
    Doug Fischer, Ring Magazine: 117-111 Pacquiao
    FightersRated.com: 117-111 Pacquiao
    Luke Thomas, MMAFighting.com: 117-111 Pacquiao
    Scott Christ, BadLeftHook.com: 117-111 Pacquiao
    Kevin Iole, Yahoo! Sports: 117-111 Pacquiao
    Tommy Gunn, BoxingAsylum.com: 117-111 Pacquiao
    Charles Farrell, No Holds Barred Radio Show: 117-111 Pacquiao
    Gareth Davies, London Telegraph: 117-111 Pacquiao
    John Perretti, No Holds Barred Radio Show: 117-111 Pacquiao
    John Raspanti, DogHouseBoxing.com: 117-111 Pacquiao
    Ron Lewis, Primetime/BBC: 117-111 Pacquiao
    Brent Brookhouse, SBNation.com: 117-111 Pacquiao
    Jake Emen, ProBoxing-Fans.com: 117-111 Pacquiao
    Alexey Sukachev, Sports.ru: 117-111 Pacquiao
    Kevin Mitchell, The Guardian (UK): 118-112 Pacquiao
    Steve Lillis, BoxNation: 118-111 Pacquiao
    Nick Xouris, FightHype.com: 118-111 Pacquiao
    Brett Newton, Pound4Pound.com: 118-110 Pacquiao
    Joseph Herron, FightSaga.com: 118-110 Pacquiao
    Mark Lyons, 8CountNews.com: 118-110 Pacquiao
    Danny "Swift" Garcia: 118-110 Pacquiao
    Mike Koppinger, Ring Magazine: 118-110 Pacquiao
    Gabriel Montoya, MaxBoxing.com: 118-110 Pacquiao
    Ryan Songalia, Ring Magazine: 118-110 Pacquiao
    Robert Ecksel, Boxing.com: 118-110 Pacquiao
    Pete O'Brien, USA Today: 118-110 Pacquiao
    John McCormick, BoxingTalk.com: 118-110 Pacquiao
    Victor Contreras, The Sacramento Bee: 118-110 Pacquiao
    Eric Raskin, HBO/TheSweetScience.com: 118-110 Pacquiao
    Chuck Giampa, Showtime: 118-110 Pacquiao
    John Russell, boxing trainer (Buster Douglas trainer): 118-110 Pacquiao
    Rich Marotta, KFI Los Angeles: 118-110 Pacquiao
    Jeff Mayweather: 118-110 Pacquiao
    Ace Freeman, FightFan.com: 118-110 Pacquiao
    Kelsey McCarson, TheSweetScience.com: 118-110 Pacquiao
    Mario Cabrera, The Boxing Republic: 118-110 Pacquiao
    Ramon Aranda, 3MoreRounds.com: 118-110 Pacquiao
    Colin Seymour, Examiner.com: 118-110 Pacquiao
    Nigel Collins, Espn.com: 118-110 Pacquiao
    Paddy Cronan, On the Grind Boxing Radio: 118-110 Pacquiao
    Denzil Stone, OnTheBreak.com: 118-110 Pacquiao
    Phil Jay, *****.net: 118-110 Pacquiao
    Geoffrey Ciani, EastSideBoxing.com: 118-110 Pacquiao
    Michael Rosenthal, Ring Magazine: 118-110 Pacquiao
    Eugeny Pilipenko, Vringe.com: 118-110 Pacquiao
    Vadim Zhuk, Championat.com: 118-110 Pacquiao
    Ken Pollitt, the13thround.com: 118-110 Pacquiao
    Ted Sares, Boxing.com: 119-111 Pacquiao
    Allen Barra, The Atlantic: 119-110 Pacquiao
    Barry Tompkins, Showtime: 119-110 Pacquiao
    Vittorio Tafur, The San Francisco Chronicle: 119-109 Pacquiao
    Ray Markarian, TheSweetScience.com: 119-109 Pacquiao
    Harold Lederman, HBO: 119-109 Pacquiao
    Dan Rafael, ESPN: 119-109 Pacquiao
    Max Parker, BoxingWatchers.com: 119-109 Pacquiao
    Scott Sawitz, Fox Sports/Inside Fights: 119-109 Pacquiao
    Leroy Cleveland, FightSaga.com: 119-109 Pacquiao
    Michael Woods, ESPN: 119-109 Pacquiao
    Michael Marley, BoxingConfidential.com/Examiner.com: 119-109 Pacquiao
    Skip Bayless, ESPN: 119-109 Pacquiao

    Among the experts above, 120 scored the bout for Pacquiao, 1 scored the bout a draw, and 1 scored the bout for Bradley.
    None of the scores for Pacquiao was offered by Philippine media.
    The draw score and the score for Bradley were not provided by American media.
     
  4. Sergio(e)

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    Pacquiao-Marquez fight was competitive. The Bradley fight wasn't close, a wide victory for Pacquiao.
     
  5. LordJomski

    LordJomski Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Clearly, you can see which fight is close and which fight is not.. :smoke
     
  6. the difference is that Pacquiao has over a million dicksuckers, so it's hard for some of them to admit defeat. Bradley doesnt have a support system like that.

    fact of the matter is, Marquez CLEARLY won in the same exact fashion as Pac against bradley.

    if you call one a robbery, u have to do the same for the other. deal with it.
     
  7. puga_ni_nana

    puga_ni_nana Dempsey Roll Full Member

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    Pac-JMM. only ******s or *****s have pac-bradley closer.
     
  8. LordJomski

    LordJomski Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Its not double standards buddy, as you can see in the post you quoted..

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    Among the unofficial scorers above, 57 scored the bout for Marquez, 51 scored the bout for Pacquiao, and the remaining 36 scored the bout a draw.
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    "Among the experts above, 120 scored the bout for Pacquiao, 1 scored the bout a draw, and 1 scored the bout for Bradley.
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    Can you see it now? :smoke