Which is the best heavyweight contender never to win a piece of the title, and WHY?

Discussion in 'Classic Boxing Forum' started by catchwtboxing, Sep 16, 2023.

Who's the best?

  1. Elmer Ray

  2. Lee Q Murray

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  3. Nino Valdez

    0 vote(s)
  4. Zora Foley

  5. Cleveland Williams

  6. Jerry Quarry

  7. Ron Lyle

  8. Ernie Shavers

  9. Jerry Cooney

  10. Ike Ibeabuchi

  1. catchwtboxing

    catchwtboxing Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

    Jul 4, 2014
    Note, I consider the "colored champs" to have been world champs, but I am including them on my list for the benefit of those who want to give them a shout. Feel free to add anyone you want...the below are just suggestions. I have included a poll of a few favorites that is even more necessarily spare.

    Peter Jackson
    Joe Choyniski
    Sam Langford
    Sam Mcvea
    Joe Jeanette
    Harry Wills
    Larry Gains
    George Godfrey
    Turkey Thompson
    Lem Franklin
    Lee Q Murray
    Elmer Ray
    Jim Bivins
    Nino Valdez
    Eddie Machon
    Zora Foley
    Cleveland Williams
    Jerry Quarry
    Ron Lyle
    Ernie Shavers
    Jerry Cooney
    Dabid Tua
    Ike Ibeabuchi
  2. Charles White

    Charles White Chucker Full Member

    Sep 13, 2008
    I might throw Razor Ruddock on there as well.
  3. swagdelfadeel

    swagdelfadeel Boxing Junkie Full Member

    Jul 30, 2014
    Povetkin, or Ibeabuchi.

    Of those listed I’d say Williams but really theirs quite a few people not on the poll that are better than everyone on there.
  4. ikrasevic

    ikrasevic Икрашевић Full Member

    Nov 3, 2021
    I voted for Ibeabuchi, and Povetkin should not be in the selection, because he "wins a piece of the title". If Povetkin can be in the selection, then I would choose the name - Ken Norton.
    Ibeabuchi ended his career at a moment when he could have added quality to an already great era.
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  5. swagdelfadeel

    swagdelfadeel Boxing Junkie Full Member

    Jul 30, 2014
    You're correct about Povetkin. I missed the piece of the title part. Didn't even see Ibeabuchi's name. Unfortunately, I'm unable to change my vote.
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  6. Bokaj

    Bokaj Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

    Jan 4, 2008
    Wills clearly, I'd say. That is looking at resume, not doing a fantasy h2h.
  7. Storm-Chaser

    Storm-Chaser Active Member Full Member

    Sep 5, 2022
    Easy, that distinction would go to Shavers. He was a tactically weak fighter (so without the package deal he had to rely on his awesome punching power. His KO ratio nearly matches foreman. So even if he was limited he could still compete at a high level in terms of punching power., but just not enough to make him champ. Not knocking Shavers but all he had was power.

    It's also a shame Holmes got up from that flush powershot, I really like watching holmes get KOd.
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  8. AwardedSteak863

    AwardedSteak863 Boxing Addict Full Member

    Aug 16, 2018
    This name always comes up in these threads and rightfully so since he beat multiple former world heavyweight champions and had a rare combination of power and chin.

    David Tua certainly had his flaws but he has wins over Moorer, Ruiz, Rahman, Maskaev and was a former Olympic bronze medalist and a silver medalist at worlds.
  9. mcvey

    mcvey VIP Member Full Member

    Jun 2, 2006
    I'd go for Langford.
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  10. Greg Price99

    Greg Price99 Well-Known Member Full Member

    Dec 17, 2018
    Harry Wills is the highest in my all time HW list to never be lineal champion. That's based solely on what each achieved in their own era and entirely disregards fantasy fight H2H.
  11. Stevie G

    Stevie G Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

    Jul 17, 2009
    Peter Jackson
    Sam Langford
    Harry Wills

    My top 3. There have been lots of them.
  12. Pedro_El_Chef

    Pedro_El_Chef New Member Full Member

    Mar 29, 2023
    Bob Pastor. Beat Roscoe Roles, Turkey Thompson, Jimmy Bivins, Lem Franklin. Held the up and coming Maurielo to a draw and survived 10 rounds against prime Louis twice (got knocked out in the 11th on their second fight).
    Very underrated fighter who stayed in the top ten for a long time. If anyone should have won the title, he is definitely one of them.
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  13. tommytheduke

    tommytheduke Active Member Full Member

    Nov 21, 2013
    Harry Wills on both resume and fantasy h2h fights. He does very well in HtH against heavyweights right before this era of giants.
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  14. catchwtboxing

    catchwtboxing Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

    Jul 4, 2014
    Please elaborate.
  15. janitor

    janitor VIP Member Full Member

    Feb 15, 2006
    The best three in chronological order are:

    Peter Jackson
    Sam Langford
    Harry Wills

    Of the three Peter Jackson stands out as the one who we would make favorite over the champion, because his prime came in teh reign of a totally shot if once great champion.

    Sam Langford and Harry Wills are more complicated cases, because their primes coincided with they reigns of exceptionally strong champions, and they might have been denied on this alone.

    However i think that a strong case can be made for putting Langford and Wills on a top 20 all time heavyweight list.

    Obviously once you remove the color bar, teh quality of the best men to never hold a title, falls off a bit.

    You are largely looking at men who didn't hold the title for a reason.
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