Which is the better German Middleweight champion: Sturm or Abraham?

whatmakes you think he didn't train properly for his first Javier and the Griffin fight? To me it looked like he was in great shape for the Griffin fight, but he just wasn't good enough.

 

I second that 100%

 

So then there aren't that much American fighters...

 

Germany is not the USA,tom!

Sounds a bit ludicrous to call a fighter like Sturm alias Catic a German,doesnt it!

My daughter has a German passport,too.Is she German? No,she isnt.However,Germany is her home.She speaks German fluently.She has German friends.She likes her neighbourhood.Nevertheless,she is not German.Maybe her kids will be Germans.Who knows!

 

IMO when you are born in Germany and lived your whole life there, you are German (doesn't matter if your parents are immegrants or not). That's perfect integration though those people often say they have 2 homes (the country of their ancestors and the country their are living in).

 

Abraham is much better.
Sturm is a joke beside Del la Hoya and (old) Javier Castillejo, he never faced a decent opponent.
The problem is that the TV stations here in germany can say whatever they want because a lot of german fans never heard of Pavlik, Taylor or Wright and
they have never seen one of there fight's.

Sturm would lost vs a lot of Abraham opponents like Miranda, Eatsman, Gevor and Ayala.
Abraham would ko him between round 2 and 7.

 

Odo is right, of course. They are both African. Sure, their ancestors have lived for a long time in Armenia/Serbia...and sure, they have lived in Germany for a long time...but that doesn't change much, REALLY, does it?

To answer the question, I think Abraham is better because he has a better chin and a better punch.

 

Ayala lost twice to banks. no way Ayala or Grevor beats sturm. But i do agree AA knocks Sturm out.

 

Sturm can only win on points against physical stronger opponents like Ayala and Gevor.
I can't see that Sturm is able to k.o. these guys
if they can catch Sturm in the corner or at the ropes they would KO him.
Sturm is fighting guys like Pittman and Alcoba because they aren't big punchers.

 

The only reason this topic even came about is because Sturm just KO'd someone so the fight is still fresh. Come to think of it, Abraham just did the same not too long ago. Abraham is the better fighter and his career is going in the right direction whereas Sturm's just kind of going through the motions. I don't sense any serious boxing aspirations on the part of Sturm. Abraham on the other hand is coming to the US, a good move for him.

 

You have no clue what you are talking about,decebal.You have never lived in Germany.Therefore you should stay calm and not claim to know things better than people who actually know Germany a little bit.
Dont forget,my Canadien-Romanian friend,that the english speaking world(USA,GB,Canada,Australia,Scandinavia,and so on) is totally different from the rest of the world.Most european countries dont share the english speaking countries' values and policital correctness.
Your ancestors are from Romania.Do you really think that a Romanian considers a-lets say- Thai to be a compatriot because he was born in Romania? Ridiculous,isnt it? An African born in China,a Cuban born in Belarus,or a Korean born in Turkey,and ....................... .
You got my point,didnt you!

Things may change in the course of the next couple of decades though.However,up to now race,blood,religion,language,nationality are far more important that a piece of paper called passport.You happy Americans,Brits,and Canadiens may think differently,but in most countries of this world nobody would care a fig for such dreams.

 

You are,eh?

Ikeke,Eastman,Ghevor,Velaczo,Gardener,Hamdan,Jantuah-cans,eh?

 

Odo, this is the third time I'm telling you: I am NOT Romanian Canadian! :nono Never even been to Canada! None of my relatives have either!

I am Romanian, living in Britain. Am a British citizen and went to school and university here. Am a British Romanian.

I know quite a bit about the history of German nationality rules and customs. Things have changed a couple of years ago, in Germany. Now, you don't have to be of German ethnicity to be considered German, if you were born in Germany. Correct me if I am wrong.

In any case, I agree with you that guys like Abraham, etc...are not German like Goethe was German. However, Abraham is a naturalised German, is he not? Or does that not count for anything? Is he just like any other Armenian from Armenia?

As to Khan...it is preposterous to say he isn't English/British. You say he is "and England based Pakistani". Rubbish! An England based Pakistani is a guy from Pakistan who has come to play cricket for an English club and has lived here for the last couple of years, and has the status of resident, for example. If he were to become a British Citizen, he wouldn't be just an England based Pakistani. He'd be a Pakistani with British citizenship, living in Britain/England.

But Khan was born in this country. His parents were British citizens. Khan is a British. Or British Asian - this is what they're called in Britian, because Pakistan is in ASIA. He is definitely not a Pakistani based in England.

It always strikes me that you always describe fighters according to their nationality to make a political point. In this case, you are completely wrong and your political point is way off the mark - it is insulting and provocative!

This is why I called your bluff, arguing that according to you, we are all African, since you value our ethnic origins so much.

To answer your question - in Romania there are Hungarians whose ancestors have lives there for hundreds of years. They are still considered Hungarian (but not Magyars - this term is reserved for Hungarians from Hungary). But they are Hungarians from Romania or Romanian Hungarians. If a Hungarian from Hungary moved to Romania and became a Romanian citizen, he would be looked upon differently from a Romanian Hungarian. He would be a foreigner with Romanian citizenship. Perhaps a naturalised Romanian, but not a Romanian like the Romanian Hungarian is...however, his children, if they were born in Romania would be Romanian Hungarian. Wouldn't be looked upon as foreigners, even though they themselves might want to consider themselves foreign in their own country - but that is another matter.

 

Sorry,you are British based,not Candien based,decebal.

As for Germany it doesnt really matter at all whether you have a piece of paper called German passport or not.You are still not German.
My daughter's teacher at school asked me when were we going home for a holiday. My daughter's home is Berlin,but her teacher didnt have in her mind our home in Germany's capital Berlin,but our native country Belarus.
I didnt mind it though.
Would be ludicrous to call her a German in front of a native German.Would make a fool of myself by doing so.

 

I know what that feels like. Sometimes, British people ask me the same thing. But British people are generally not as racist and ethnocentric as Germans are. So, in Britian, people would describe me as "from Romania", not as Romanian - as they would describe Gheorghe Hagi, for example.

Germany still has big hang-ups over race/ethnicity; fortunately, young people have been tought to see things in a rather different way; attitudes are changing and legislation and the official position has certainly changed too - as I described before.

Funny, though, that Sachsen from Transylvania, who have lived there for hundreds of years, don't call their home "Germany" - but rather Transylvania/Romania. When they moved to live in Germany, at first, they were not accepted as German, even though they were, ethnically. Many of them still consider themselves Siebenburgische Sachsen - but their German-born kids don't...why not?