Which is the following is most damaging to a top fighters legacy?

Discussion in 'Classic Boxing Forum' started by Mendoza, Nov 24, 2014.


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  1. LittleRed

    LittleRed Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    People hold Roy Jones post ruiz career against him.
     
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  2. anton

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    Roy has not damaged his legacy in my eyes . Same as ali did not deminish his or duran. Or chavez or leonard. Or robinson or louis they all carry on too long its part of being a fighter. Roy just gets stick now because hes current and relevent in that sense. Once roy is gone people will remember just how good he was.
     
    anton, Nov 24, 2014
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  3. mr. magoo

    mr. magoo VIP Member Full Member

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    agreed,

    Anything that happened to him from about Tarver onward isn't a representation of anything that he did in his prime or how great he was.. He was 35 by the time he met Tarver and taxed his body by jumping up to heavy and back down again in such a short time.
    The REAL Roy Jones was the one who fought from 1995-2000.
     
    mr. magoo, Nov 24, 2014
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  4. Flurry

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    avoiding the best contenders available
    admitting to participating in fixes.
     
    Flurry, Nov 25, 2014
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  5. BillB

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    Avoiding the best contenders- Floyd Patterson
     
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  6. ribtickler68

    ribtickler68 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    I thought the same! Just like they make you a better sprinter or American footballer. If there were no advantage in taking them why do people cheat?
     
    ribtickler68, Nov 25, 2014
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  7. Mendoza

    Mendoza Hrgovic = Next Heavyweight champion of the world. banned Full Member

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    Patterson gave Liston a title shot. In terms of avoiding the best contenders while champion, Jack Johnson wins hands down.
     
    Mendoza, Nov 25, 2014
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  8. Titan1

    Titan1 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Avoiding the best contenders while champion.Think Ray Mancini did this to a degree.
     
    Titan1, Dec 15, 2014
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  9. mcvey

    mcvey VIP Member

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    It took you a while to get around to the real reason for this thread but you got there in the end.:lol:
     
    mcvey, Dec 16, 2014
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  10. Nighttrain

    Nighttrain 'BOUT IT 'BOUT IT Full Member

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    Taking part in a fix imo is so damning that there is no second!
     
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  11. RockysSplitNose

    RockysSplitNose Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Losing to an over the hill or green fighter most affects it for me.

    'actively' avoiding the best a la Mayweather affects things for me too

    And getting stopped early is never a good thing especially its a smaller guy - but depends on the guy - Lennox took a hit for me gettinG stopped by MCall for instance

    Being inactive in prime is somewhat dictated by whats going on in the world at times and has no baring on how good a fighter proves to be when he is in there aswell?

    Admitting involvement in a fix again doesnt change how good you actually are too - didnt make Lamotta, Dempsey, Langford any less of a fighter - obviously benefitting from a fix is pretty Much discounted such as Ali-Liston etc

    Getting DQd doesn t have a huge impact for me as again unless youre getting DQd all the times it rarely happens (maybe once in a career if that?)

    Hanging around too long doesnt change how good or affect what they acheived when i prime?

    Avoiding certain styles is akin to avoiding the best for me
     
    RockysSplitNose, Dec 16, 2014
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  12. Mendoza

    Mendoza Hrgovic = Next Heavyweight champion of the world. banned Full Member

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    Avoiding the best contenders while champion

    Getting stopped early by a smaller fighter

    Admitting to or alluding to a pre-arrangement in a boxing match

    Being inactive in a fighters prime years

    Hanging around too long, and making fans forget how good you are/were

    Losing via DQ in a title fight

    Losing a match to a fighter who was over the hill or very green.

    ^^^ So your saying Johnson has all the boxes checked? That's debatable. I think he was active enough in his prime years. If I really wanted to make this about Johnson I'd leave that out.

    It wasn't I who first mentioned Johnson either. :hi:
     
    Mendoza, Dec 17, 2014
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  13. mcvey

    mcvey VIP Member

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    Go back and check ,you're the ONLY one who has mentioned him you illiterate chump!:patsch
     
    mcvey, Dec 17, 2014
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