Which light heavy has the best bet of beating a Liston or Foreman

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  1. choklab

    choklab cocoon of horror Full Member

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    George Foreman was probably too much of a roughhouse for most lightheavyweights in his prime. The ones to get past the first few rounds have a good chance though. Peralta was a lightheavyweight. So there is scope. Not much though.

    Sonny Liston did lose to a lightheavyweight once and if he fought Archie Moore or Harold Johnson around the times he fought Burt whitehurst he would have stood more chance of losing again to both in real life. However, by the time Sonny was beating Machen and Harris he probably was a different kind of animal.

    Floyd was a masquerading lightheavyweight his whole life ...but he was terrible against Sonny both times and came undone mentally both times. Still, it would be difficult for a career lightheavyweight to stand any kind of chance with any great heavyweight.

    The most anyone can say about the best lightheavyweights that beat heavyweights is they have a chance against Liston.

    It’s difficult to imagine any starting as favourite.
     
  2. RulesMakeItInteresting

    RulesMakeItInteresting Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Wow Liston against any lightheavy. I really just don't see anyone besides the Mongoose making it (and it's imo probable Archie gets KO'd).

    Harold Johnson...have to check that guy out.
     
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  3. InMemoryofJakeLamotta

    InMemoryofJakeLamotta Boxing Addict Full Member

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    I don't know if he was "terrified" of fighting Tyson, but either Foreman or Liston didn't have the foot or hand speed of a prime Tyson.
     
  4. Reinhardt

    Reinhardt Boxing Addict Full Member

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    I'd favor Rocky by TKO IN 5
     
  5. Flash24

    Flash24 Well-Known Member Full Member

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    All of what you've wrote is very true. But still, He was a World class fighter with plenty of Championship experience. His body language and face showed his defeat before the fight actually began. My old trainer once said make your opponents beat you, never beat yourself. Spinks showed he was defeated to Tyson before the 1st punch was thrown. And what we later learned about Tyson and his weak mind.... Who knows...
     
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  6. George Crowcroft

    George Crowcroft The Cincinnati Cobra Full Member

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    Not to mention he was fighting a prime Mike Tyson...
     
  7. George Crowcroft

    George Crowcroft The Cincinnati Cobra Full Member

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    I'd definitely favour Rocky by stoppage but why in 5? His best wins never came in 5. He wore down his best opponents.
     
  8. choklab

    choklab cocoon of horror Full Member

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    Your trainer was a very wise man. He knew what he was talking about.

    Tyson could smell fear on a fighter. He was a hunter. It brought the best out of him. And he was young. Tyson got used to that. He recognised that. Better than anybody.

    A guy who was ready, who had a deathwish, was a different matter.

    At that level, they’re all great fighters. When everything is equal, a mind unraveling can be the difference. Spinks unraveled.
     
  9. red cobra

    red cobra Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Conn would come the closest...but would fall short.
     
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  10. red cobra

    red cobra Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    You can use the "Peralta" line when discussing Foreman, but that wasn't prime GF, so nevermind.
     
  11. Abysmal Brute1981

    Abysmal Brute1981 New Member Full Member

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    I believe no fighter lightheavyweight or heavyweight in history including clay of 65 could beat a prime Sonny Liston. Greatest Heavyweight in History
     
  12. KasimirKid

    KasimirKid Member Full Member

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    I'm confused. Clay was nowhere near the light-heavyweight limit in 1965.
     
  13. Abysmal Brute1981

    Abysmal Brute1981 New Member Full Member

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  14. Flash24

    Flash24 Well-Known Member Full Member

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    What gives you this opnion. While I agree with Lt.heavy but you also added Heavy, I can think of two heavyweights off the top of my head that beat Liston at anytime in his career. Including the one that actually did it......Twice.
     
  15. KasimirKid

    KasimirKid Member Full Member

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    I guess what you must mean is that the Liston of '59 to '62 could beat the Ali of '65 to '68? All I can say is, "good luck."
     


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