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Once again Joe Frazier not given the credit he deserves. He has the single greatest victory in the glamor division's history...

But apparently dozens or guys could take him.

 

So what? Frazier is easy to hit and Ali isn't a big hitter. There are plenty of guys who punch much harder than Ali and would be favored to blast him out without any trouble at all.

You think getting whacked by Ali is even remotely comparable to getting hit by a Tua, a Joshua, a Lennox Lewis?

 

Most of the usual suspects have been named.I'll throw in another who has a chance.
Sam Langford.

 

Yet, Ali is the only fighter to ever stop a near prime Liston or any version of Foreman. And one of only two men to ever stop Frazier.

Go figure.

 

Your point might have some merit if the guys in question had faced punchers comparable to Anthony Joshua or Wladimir Klitschko or Lennox Lewis but they didn't.

Foreman was dropped by Young and Lyle in the 70s so I'm not sure stopping an exhausted 70s Foreman is quite the feat you would have us believe.

 

It is quite a feat considering that only 1 out of 80 opponents were able to achieve it, many even against a middle age version of Foreman.

And if you are one of those that believes that only power leads to a stoppage, what say you of the power of Cooper, Lyle, Morrison, Moorer, Briggs, Cooney and Frazier himself? Powderpuffs, I know.

 

None of those 80 opponents were remotely comparable to Anthony Joshua or Wladimir Klitschko, your not helping yourself with these arguments.

 

Cool photo, but I'm pretty sure that's Lou Nova he's fighting.

 

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Though that's understandable, Nova and Godoy looked very similar

 

Based on what? What makes you believe this? Big, throbbing muscles?

Ray Mercer fought Lewis and Morrison and do you know who he claimed was the hardest puncher he faced?

 

I don't believe Frazier does well today for the same reasons you don't think Marciano does well today.

Joshua and Wladimir have kayoed numerous world class opponents in devastating fashion, something Tommy Morrison never came close to accomplishing once in an era of smaller heavyweights. Frankly the comparison is absurd. He was never able to translate any of this power into tangible accomplishments against good opposition.

Your evidence of his power is that Mercer said he hit hard, that's not very persuasive. Fighters are always talking up the guys they beat and downplaying the abilities of guys who beat them.

 

The thing your not getting is that a lot of younger fans don't rank Frazier's era very highly. Much like you have a low opinion of Marciano's era.

You throw around names like Liston and Frazier like they are supposed to impress me but I just don't rate them that highly.

Jesse Owens was great in his day, doesn't mean he can match Usain Bolt or Asafa Powell.

 

Frazier was considered prime when they rematched, not for the frist fight.
Though I too doubt the others would be pulverized, I slightly favor Frazier over Marciano, & more so over Dempsey.

 

Also, it doesn't take a genius to see that Frazier's style doesn't translate well against punchers.

He's not especially elusive and his durability isn't the best.

If he can't get out of the way of the punches and can't take them he's going to be in trouble.

What is he going to do? His only hope seems to be to blast out Joshua or Klitschko before they land anything but given he never did that to a world-class opponent even once it seems like a pretty unlikely outcome.

 

I am surprised that you never heard anyone argue for Frazier over Louis.
Heck even on this website, you have a few arguing that prime Frazier who could land well while coming in would beat a man who torched him twice & had a stylistic advantage-Foreman of course.

Frazier was modest & respectful about the hypothetical match.
But Louis would not pick himself over Marciano: & as swarmers, both had a stylistic advantage over Louis.
Who said he did not like fighting swarmers, & Frazier was bigger than Rocky.

Louis might well win, & like against Rocky, he is the greater fighter against all comers-but could lose to one or them both.
For stylistic reasons.

In this great website with a bunch of former & some current professional boxers, the poll was running even before-& though Louis pulled well ahead, you can see why some picked Smokin' Joe.

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