Which Light Heavyweights Could Ray Robinson Beat

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  1. Robbi

    Robbi Marvelous Full Member

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    Perhaps the British weather and my own surroundings were on my mind. Yeah, some hispanic fighters can fight in humid conditions as well as afro Americans/Africans. Duran never had a problem fighting in the heat. As far as I know the De Jesus rematch in Panama City may well have been the sternest conditions Duran ever faced. De Jesus was an afro and he was more tired than Duran, although the blazing fists that came his way probably took more out of him than the heat did.
     
  2. teeto

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    Thanks McGrain, and as for your last sentence, you can see this thread is 3 pages long before i got involved! Obviously ive been avoiding the subject!

    I dont know, i usually say the best way to beat Robinson was for a guy to definitely attack him, defense wont work imo. But i dont know how much styles play a part because these guys are simply bigger and stronger.

    What if Moore was not on his best day? Its maybe possible, he was beaten by lesser MWs than what Robinson was on his best MW night. But thats not fair, we'd have to consider prime Moore against LHW Robinson, so i'd almost always give that to Archie.
     
  3. PowerPuncher

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    Ray did offer Moore 30% fr the match up but Moore was champ and not having it
     
  4. McGrain

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    Interesting tit-bit this. Certainly news to me.
     
  5. Manassa

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    It's pretty hot in Panama.
     
  6. Robbi

    Robbi Marvelous Full Member

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    Certainly hotter than central Scotland. Or in McGrains case, Inverness.
     
  7. McGrain

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    Colder than a nun's tit.
     
  8. PowerPuncher

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    I'd fancy Sugar to beat a small great LHW like Greb.
     
  9. McGrain

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    We know.
     
  10. OLD FOGEY

    OLD FOGEY Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Maxim had almost no punch. His assets were durability and fine boxing skills. Robinson proved he could outspeed him. It would be interesting to see what he could do with Gibbons or Loughran or Conn who didn't have big punches.

    Fellows such as Charles and Moore and Foster are a different kettle of fish. They had punches Robinson did not see at middle or welter. I also doubt he would be that successful against the big hitters who were not that good as boxers, fellows like Danny Nardico. A fight between Robinson and Satterfield would really be intriguing.

    I don't think Robinson beats the top tier lightheavies, Tunney, Charles, Moore, Johnson, Foster, Conn, Lewis, or Bettina. I think he is a shaky pick against big hitters like Berlenbach, Fox, Foxworth, Satterfield, Murphy, and Nardico. I just watched Harry Matthews against Murphy and I think Matthews beats Robinson. Against the light hitters, Maxim, Pastrano, Loughran, and Levinsky, Robinson has a good chance. Gibbons is in the middle. I think he takes Sugar Ray.
     
  11. JIm Broughton

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    I can't see Robinsosn beating the likes of Moore, Conn, Tunney, Foster, Spinks or Saad Muhammad. Ray's best weight was 147. His punches would'nt have the same effect on naturally bigger men like the above mentioned. They would wear him down and stop him.
     
  12. TIGEREDGE

    TIGEREDGE Boxing Addict Full Member

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    i think he has a strong chance against saad muhammad. but the other guys you mention have got to be heavily favoured to beat srr. but you never know with that foot and hand speed of rays

    A lot of people are forgetting about how henry armstrong managed to beat great fighters who were much stronger and bigger than him. he never had the speed or skills of robinson

    There have been boxers who have managed to defy conventional wisdom and science when it comes to fighting bigger men

    look at holyfield

    look at roberto duran. a former featherweight who well past his prime nearly dethroned a prime marvin hagler at middleweight.
     
  13. Joe E

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    Mike Rossman comes to mind,although not a great.
     
  14. Manassa

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    Talk about stretching it :lol:

    What you mean is; a former lightweight who gave Marvin Hagler a good fight.

    Duran was no featherweight. He just happened to turn professional at a young age and hadn't filled out yet; and he was pretty formidable at middleweight when he faced Hagler, having performed well at 154lbs recently (and of course he'd win a title at 160lbs five years later). And although Duran was more competitive than was expected, Hagler realistically won by a fairly clear margin.
     
  15. TIGEREDGE

    TIGEREDGE Boxing Addict Full Member

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    i know that.

    if a lightweight can nearly beat a great middle, a welter, can nearly beat a great light heavy

    you never noted the armstrong comments i see