Which List Means Most To You, ATG or all-time P4P?

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  1. Vanboxingfan

    Vanboxingfan Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Bingo. But for the most part this conversation is restricted to the heavyweight division because there's no weight limit. Other classes solve this issue by having weight limits.
     
  2. asero

    asero Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    burley, williams, flowers and griffrin are the guys that i see would rank higher in a p4p rankings compared to their ATG rankings

    in an ATG, you would give a lot of weight to hearns loss to barkly, but in a p4p set up that would have little consideration
     
  3. dmille

    dmille We knew, about Tszyu, before you. Full Member

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    That must have been a tough call for you considering that Robinson defeated LaMotta 5 out of 6 times...
     
  4. dmille

    dmille We knew, about Tszyu, before you. Full Member

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    There is no difference between them. Take any weight division. Bantamweight.

    The greatest bantamweight of all-time is the bantamweight of all-time pound-for-pound. It's the same guy.

    And the heavyweights are automatically pound-for-pound because of the unlimited nature of the weight division.
     
  5. dmille

    dmille We knew, about Tszyu, before you. Full Member

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    Then put together you own ranking and rate them where you think they belong

    NO, I would not. Hearns was not in his prime when he lost to Barkley. And he was not fighting at his prime weight either.
     
  6. asero

    asero Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    i have no problem with bantam, the p4p best is the ATG...i would now ask you who is the ATG in middleweight?
     
  7. asero

    asero Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    my bad, hitman was not in his prime in the barkley fight...
     
  8. dmille

    dmille We knew, about Tszyu, before you. Full Member

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    What about conditioning, heart, chin, power, athleticism? There are millions of guys the size of Lewis. Some of them couldn't grab their @ss with both hands. A crack on the chin from a flyweight would put some of them in a coma. Lewis was much more than his size.
     
  9. asero

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    but lewis never fought an HOF his size...why is lewis not in a p4p top 10 list in any stage of his career?
     
  10. dmille

    dmille We knew, about Tszyu, before you. Full Member

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    It is the same in any division. Do I have to write it eight times?

    The greatest flyweight of all-time is the flyweight of all-time pound-for-pound. It's the same guy.

    The greatest bantamweight of all-time is the bantamweight of all-time pound-for-pound. It's the same guy.

    The greatest featherweight of all-time is the featherweight of all-time pound-for-pound. It's the same guy.

    The greatest lightweight of all-time is the lightweight of all-time pound-for-pound. It's the same guy.

    The greatest welterweight of all-time is the welterweight of all-time pound-for-pound. It's the same guy.

    The greatest middleweight of all-time is the middleweight of all-time pound-for-pound. It's the same guy.

    The greatest light heavyweight of all-time is the light heavyweight of all-time pound-for-pound. It's the same guy.

    The greatest heavyweight of all-time is the heavyweight of all-time pound-for-pound. It's the same guy.

    I'm not going to do it again for all the junior/super weight divisions.
     
  11. asero

    asero Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    name names,,,im just asking for 160..my ATG 160 is harry greb...how about you?
     
  12. dmille

    dmille We knew, about Tszyu, before you. Full Member

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    You don't understand that the heavyweight division is unlimited? Lewis fought heavyweights - some weighed more, some weighed less. It seems to me that when you are talking about size you mean height. We don't have height divisions.

    It's not Lewis' fault that Bowe ducked him. A fighter can only fight those who have balls enough to sign the contract. The guys that he fought weren't as good as he was, which is probably why he won and they didn't.
     
  13. dmille

    dmille We knew, about Tszyu, before you. Full Member

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    Mine is Carlos Monzon. But it doesn't matter. You wanna try change the subject now rather than engage the point I am making.

    You started this topic. So don't duck it.
     
  14. asero

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    consider lightweight...some says that joe gans and benny leonard should be ranked higher that duran, but that concede that duran would easily beat those two guys prime for prime..so p4p duran is the clear lightweight best...but in terms of ATG, gans, leonard and duran are neck to neck...
     
  15. asero

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    so you mean p4p monzon is better than robinson p4p????..robinson best years was 48-51..he weights around 155 in that time..