Which lopsided UD12 was more embarassing: Haye or Hamed?

Hamed showed Heart.

Haye showed toe.

 

Hamed. He was more arrogant than Haye, Hamed was the favourite going into the fight, and he was beaten in a far more impressive fashion. Barrera was boxing beautifully at points, with leaping jabs, combinations and counterpunches that wobbled Hamed and had him baffled. He made Hamed look very crude and out of his depth. Barrera never looked stunned or hurt, either. He completely neutralised Hamed.

Haye/Wlad, on the other hand, was quite different. Haye was very cocky, true, and the toe excuse was embarrassing, but he wasn't the favourite going into the fight, and the fight itself wasn't an impressive domination. Both Wlad and Haye seemed gunshy and unimpressive. Wlad was winning rounds due to his jab output, but it was far from a clinic. He rarely committed to his shots, while Haye simply moved all night, trying clumsy swings and then going to a knee to try and get a point taken for Wlad's holding. Quite a dull, flat occasion, where both men failed to shine. They briefly came to life in the twelfth round, but it was too late by that point.

 

"Little Prince - Big Fight"-documentary makes me vote Naz.

 

You get owned and run away?

Your logic leaves two options

1. Wlad didn't finish Haye because he is a safety first fighter who does not engage (i.e. Boring).

Or

2. Wlad could not finish Haye because he does not have the skills and advantages to do so.

Not even the biggest Klit detractor would pick option 2, so it is pretty clear.

 

Yall realize Wlad averaged less than 3 landed power punches per round

 

Hamed accepted Barrera as the man.

Haye pulled his toe out.

 

:rofl:rofl:rofl

Proof he was willing to engage.

 

Neither guy lost by total domination, Hamed had more (relative) success than Haye & put in a better performance against a better opponent.

Nas had so much further to fall, he was unbeaten & had been a sensation since his teens. He was a major celebrity in Britian, far more so than Haye & had already won big fights in the US after a string of specatular performances at home.

Nas was a flamboyant, attention seeking guy but he had the talent to back it up, Haye was never as good p4p as the Prince. He had a fraction of the abilty & talent that Nas possessed & none of the swag & or the wit.

Haye had that pot of gold in sight the moment he walked into the rain in Hamburg with a broken toe. Retire at 31 was the plan, this fight was the big payday & then off into the sunset. He realised fairly soon that Wlad was far too good for him that night he was content to be elusive. He didnt want to know until the final round & even then, he was too sloppy & just not good enough to do what he had been promising the world he would do for years.

I enjoyed Haye's humbling but Nas had it worse

 

Haye fans trying to turn his shameful performance into some kind of success.

Sad sad group of "fans".

 

I hope you don't think I am defending Haye in any way. I am just pointing out that Wlad's "performance" in this fight deserves equal, if not greater, ridicule.

 

Hard to pick i would say TIE!

 

i disagree.

We all know Wlad is a safety first fighter but more of the blame has to be on Haye considering the way he fought,flopped, looked to the ref for help and then ultimatly used his toe as an excuse.

Wlad always fights that way.

 

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What do the overall punches landed have to do with RBR?

Haye CLEARLY won round 12 (the round where he rocked Wlad and Wlad held him for about 10 seconds) and thats from memory without having to look back at the fight, I also beleive he won round 3 and one other was 50/50

 

Edit, these are the official punch stats

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So yeah, Haye had a higher connect % for a few of the rounds and outlanded Wlad in another

Not that you need numbers to see really if you watched the fight, it wasn't a shut out

It was Wlad pressuring Haye feinting with his jab trying to keep him off balance, and Haye slipping Wlads punches trying to find an opening to land a technically deficiant looping right hand, Wlads footwork/footspeed and feinting were too good to allow this

This was the case for 12 rounds

Haye managed to become active enough in about 3-4 rounds to win them (4 is generious, 3 is probably spot on)

Beleive anything else and you either dont understand boxing or you hate one of the two boxers

Neither man did much in the way of actual punches landed or taking risks but (for me) it was an entertaining chess match

(ironically Haye for all his caution threw more power punches than Wlad every round but 1)