Which loss was worse for Pavlik?

So you're saying Martinez didn't throw as many punches in rounds 5 through 8 as he did in the first 4, so that's why Pavlik got to him during that time?

Lets see.

Punches thrown by Martinez, round by round

Round 1 - 36
Round 2 - 57
Round 3 - 38
Round 4 - 43
Round 5 -

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Round 6 -

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Round 7 -

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Round 8 -

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Martinez actually threw MORE in rounds 5-8.

So how do you explain the fact Pavlik won those rounds, Einstein?

 

I meant by landing but it was mostly do with Martinez maybe was alittle tired? It was just 4 straight rounds in the middle that Pavlik won but when Martinez got the fired back, where was Pavlik skilled?????????? :rofl

 

Martinez loss is worse.

 

Oh, now it's not that he didn't throw as many punches, but it's that he didn't land as many, right?

Lets see.

Punches landed by Martinez, round by round.

Round 1 - 11
Round 2 - 23
Round 3 - 8
Round 4 - 19
Round 5 - 14
Round 6 - 9
Round 7 - 15
Round 8 - 19

Martinez landed

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punches in the first 4 rounds and he landed

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in the following 4 rounds. Which means he basically landed the same.

So, why did Pavlik win rounds 5-8 when Martinez landed about the same number of punches on him?

Lets see you alter your reasons again.

The big left that opened the cut above Pavlik's right eye in the 9th and the fact that Martinez changed his gameplan are the reasons he won the last 4 rounds of the fight. This does NOT mean Pavlik didn't show adaptation and ring intelligence in rounds 5-8.

Throw me another smiley if it makes you feel better.

 

Actually before the cut in the right eye, Martinez was landing more in which it was like he finally wake up and then after that he land a big left that open the cut. When Martinez gets going, Pavlik couldn't do ****.

 

All you have to do is think WHY Martinez couldn't get going in rounds 5-8. He couldn't be as effective as before and he got tired for a reason. If you watch it again, from round 5 till round 8 Pavlik begins to avoid Martinez's jab and land his own over his opponent's hand, he manages to narrow the distance between them, pressure Martinez and make him tire, and land more.

Pavlik did a good job in those rounds, don't take that away from him and just be content to say 'he didn't show any skills'. He did, but he eventually lost to a better man who showed even more ring smarts and determination than Pavlik in round 9 and till the end of the fight.

 

No doubt.

Actually, I'm surprised that almost noone gives credit to Martinez's corner for changing the momentum of the fight in round 9. If you listen to what the trainer says right after the 8th, you'll find out he advises Martinez to do EXACTLY what Martinez did in the following rounds: Double the jab and follow with a straight left, not a looping one. Martinez did just that again and again after the 8th, and also added an extra left in the mix quite often.

I think the corner of Martinez played a major role in the fight shifting in the late rounds.

 

I think Hopkins. Even though I knew it was an awful matchup for him. He was just dominated and made to look so ordinary in that fight, that it is hard to ever view him in the same way ever again.

 

Martinez loss was worse cuz vs Hopkins you can always explain that away due to Pav being the naturally smaller, weaker man. No such ratinalization possible for the fight vs Martinez.

 

Martinez...

 

Martinez no doubt.

 

I think Hopkins wounded him mentally and was much worse for him personally.

So far as the general public opinion is concerned? Martinez destroyed Pavlik's fanbase.

And... so far as Martinez being gassed in 5-8. That's just the way he fights. He always coasts through those rounds and admires his work, possibly watching for adjustments from his opponent and how to negate them in the champion ship rounds. It worked like a charm against Pavlik, studying the adjustment to the right hook, how the blood was affecting him, and which angles to exploit in flurries and win huge; it seems that Martinez won a few of those middle rounds on all three of the judges' cards.

 

martinez-pavlik is much worse.