Which massacre was worse?

Discussion in 'Classic Boxing Forum' started by Ali Holmes, Jan 14, 2022 at 4:59 PM.

Which was worse

  1. Foreman's destruction of Frazier

  2. Johansson's dismantling of Patterson

  1. Ali Holmes

    Ali Holmes Member banned Full Member

    Dec 23, 2021
    Foreman vs Frazier 1



    Johansson vs Patterson 1

  2. Kell Macabe

    Kell Macabe Member Full Member

    Nov 20, 2021
    Foreman vs Frazier.

    I don’t know if any heavyweight fight between ATG was so one sided.
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  3. Flash24

    Flash24 Boxing Addict Full Member

    Oct 22, 2015
    It's almost unheard of where two atg's prime
    or close to it fighters meet and one completely
    obliterates the other.
    Especially when considering the fighter that
    got obliterated was the favorite to win the
    fight. (If I remember right)
    The Foreman vs Frazier fight was a worse
    Patterson was seen as a little shaky well
    before the Johansson fight. So yeah
    it was a surprise, but when factoring in
    Patterson's weaknesses not so much.
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  4. William Walker

    William Walker Boxing Addict Full Member

    Apr 9, 2020
    Although Joe was going downhill, Foreman nearly ended his career here, and had Joe in horrible shape.

    Patterson was also genuinely hurt against Johansson, but most of them were knockdowns from being off balance than being hurt at the moment.

    Foreman-Frazier way more brutal to me. Plus Floyd came right back. He beat Johansson months later. Frazier launched a slow and somewhat impressive comeback that basically lasted four fights.
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  5. Ali Holmes

    Ali Holmes Member banned Full Member

    Dec 23, 2021
    I see your point. But isn't Patterson an ATG?
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  6. William Walker

    William Walker Boxing Addict Full Member

    Apr 9, 2020
    Yes, of course he is.
  7. greynotsoold

    greynotsoold Boxing Addict Full Member

    Aug 17, 2011
    Patterson just got caught. Sometimes that happens, you just get lit up because the other guy is also a professional fighter that is trying to win. Patterson got caught but won the next two.
    Frazier was convenient because he was no longer where he once was and, if you had seen his first fight with Quarry, you could see how he could have problems with Foreman. Foreman had people around him that were good at figuring probabilities.
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  8. William Walker

    William Walker Boxing Addict Full Member

    Apr 9, 2020
    I guess one way of looking at it is, Foreman-Frazier always pans out a disaster for Joe no matter how good of condition he's in. Patterson-Johansson can go either way depending on if Floyd isn't zoned out or not. If he's not, he probably beats Johansson consistently.
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  9. ikrasevic

    ikrasevic The truth is out there Full Member

    Nov 3, 2021
    Foreman vs Frazier
    What Joe Frazier knocked down six times is massacre, but getting Joe up six times is a feat; unbelievable.
    I don't know who else would get up from six Foreman's demolition.
    Greater success than all of Fury's uprising.
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  10. Pugguy

    Pugguy Active Member Full Member

    Aug 22, 2021
    In terms of the power of the punches and the otherwise more than resilient chin it dented, I would say Frazier v Foreman. However, thanks to an errant ref, Patterson v Johansson was pretty ugly for it resembling a “mugging” more than a fight after an initially powerful punch put Floyd down. HUGE credit to both Floyd and Joe who both incredibly saw those fights through on their feet, not counted out -
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  11. Fergy

    Fergy Walking Dead Full Member

    Jan 8, 2017
    I'd say Foreman v Frazier
    Followed by Dempsey V Willard!
    Now that was a massacre..
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  12. The Long Count

    The Long Count Boxing Junkie Full Member

    Oct 8, 2013
    Foreman Frazier - is better. But Patterson vs Ingo is underrated.
  13. Richard M Murrieta

    Richard M Murrieta Boxing Junkie Full Member

    Jul 16, 2019
    George Foreman vs Joe Frazier was bad, it won me $20.00 on the night of Jan 22 1973, George even lifted Joe off the ground, decked him 6 times before referee Arthur Mercante Sr ended the beating. Floy Patterson vs Ingemar Johansson on June 26 1959 was bad because of the knockdowns and because Ingo left Floyd helpless.
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  14. young griffo

    young griffo Boxing Addict Full Member

    May 18, 2006
    I voted Ingemar vs Floyd. Patterson was simply brutalized that night. Disgraceful corner job imo but that said Joe was also destroyed by a peak Foreman. Both were yo yo’d but Floyd’s condition was more distressing to see but it’s a marginal pick. Both were very sad sight’s seeing two good men and fighters beaten up so.
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