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  1. BCS8

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    Elaborate please? My only criticism is that GGG doesn't look as impressive infighting as he does at range. I thing somebody like the Hagler from the Hearns fight would be problematic for him.
     
  2. Mod-Mania

    Mod-Mania Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Hagler, Monzon, Hopkins, LaMotta, Toney, McCallum, Eubank Sr.
     
  3. Rumsfeld

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  4. Kryptonite

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    Freddie Steele would smash GGG
     
  5. blundell

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    Greb would maul Golovkin.
     
  6. Mendoza

    Mendoza Hrgovic = Next Heavyweight champion of the world. banned Full Member

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    He KO' Froch in the amateurs. Wasn't he durable? People here are confusing durability and skills.

    I asked the board to show me a middle who hit as hard and one who is also as durable. I saw no examples.

    No all time great middle beat anyone with GGG's power and durability so saying they can is not proven.

    The truth is GGG would beat Hagler's opposing easier than Hagler himself and would not draw or win close decisions either.
     
  7. BCS8

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    I'd love to see Golovkin against guys like Antuofermo, Hamsho, Hearns, Mugabi, Duran, Leonard. I think they would be flipping great, great fights. I reckon somebody like Vito might just be the sort of close-combat, stamina workhorse needed to push Golovkin

    Unfortunately there's not a lot of guys around like that today, and those that are / were some good mostly dodged Golovkin.

    I think he's pretty darn good myself, but hold those horses in saying he's better than Hagler, just yet. He might be, but I want to see more.
     
  8. Anubis

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    I don't know that going to the body would work any better for GGG than it did for Cuevas. Pipino opened very well against Duran, really hammering the body with full force, causing El Cholo to wince, but the Panamanian shoved him off and went to work.

    When it comes to bypassing chins, Duran's among those who could write that book (ask Vilomar Fernandez), and Roberto's 5'7" stature could give him the advantage there on the 5'10" GGG. (That's not to say Golovkin couldn't be effective on shorter opponents with body shots. Arguello executed plenty of one punch knockouts to the body of shorter victims with both hands.)

    Surprise was the way to bait Duran for putting his lights out, the way Hearns did it as a stage where Tommy's had seemingly lost potency. GGG isn't the sort to catch Roberto off-guard like that. He doesn't have the profile of somebody who would likely be able to stop Duran. If he expected an opponent to try punching him down and out, that opponent always failed. (Ditto Hagler and Davison of course. Dwight Davison is one of those great "what if?" unanswered questions of the 1980's.)
     
  9. Anubis

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    Burt, of course the thread asks to include taking GGG's shots to the head and body, which in my mind would exclude the likes of Greb, Joey Archer and Robinson.

    I think Gene Fullmer's performances against Florentino Fernandez and Eduardo Lausse proved that he had the combination of durability and mobility to take some shots from GGG and move as necessary to get to the final bell.

    Unless prime Hamsho gets carved up as he did in Hagler I, GGG may well discover the limits of his power with the block of granite Syrian. GGG wins with superior punching technique and leverage, but he's getting extended and taxed to the final bell.

    Marcos Geraldo can do it if he's legitimately competing and not taking one of his countless dives.

    There has NEVER been an irresistible force in boxing, but a number of immovable objects who could take everything a GGG could humanly dish out without flinching. But he's had the fortune of competing in situations where he was never tested in that way, and at 34, such an event is likely not to have the same relevance anymore.
     
  10. Anubis

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    I won't answer this question, not having the qualifications and interest in modern boxing to do so, but would like to mention that the last time I read "No known weaknesses" in a boxing publication about a reigning top performer, it was when Wilfredo Gomez was undefeated around the immediate aftermath of the Zarate shellacking. (In the same issue, it was written of Duran, "May be invincible when in prime condition." I believe that to be correct. The Duran of Montreal wins the rematch with SRL in New Orleans, knocks out Hearns with his body attack to unify the WW Title, and he was indeed his own worst enemy far above anybody else. Tommy might have won a second bout against Duran in 1981 or 1982 by remaining too far away to get hit, but it would be no cinch with how El Cholo could go over the top. Concerning how Roberto would do with the larger GGG, Iran Barkley was a monster at his career best when Duran defeated him. Hard to see GGG halting Roberto with that level of preparedness.)
     
  11. Mendoza

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    Hearns KO'd Duran with one punch in round two. When Leonard started to land hard in the re-match, Duran said No Mas.

    GGG hits as harder than either and is more aggressive. Duran's running into a buzz saw here. GGG would take out Duran too. No offense to Roberto, his best stuff is at lightweight.

    Middles are bigger these days are even bigger. GGG is 171 on fight night.

    Hagler vs. GGG would be a war. However, Hagler's tendency to start late or remind gun shy to too long could cost him on points.

    GGG is being ducked like Sonny Liston! It's true, and unlike Hagler, he has the luxury of moving up to 168 if needed. If Canelo's lacks the Cojones to fight GGG, strip him. Them GGG can offer Billy Joe Sanders a fight, and move up in class if needed. I would not write of GGG being one of the champions at 175. Hagler declined moving up to light heavyweight to face Qwai.
     
  12. Gatekeeper

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    Until Golovkin beats an elite fighter or even someone in the top 3 MW's or SMW's it seems senseless IMO to discuss how he'd do against the likes of Hagler, Hearns, SRR etc.

    He has yet to be tested or beat anyone of note (not entirely his fault I know that Canelo, Cotto etc. ducked him but it is what it is).
     
  13. Mendoza

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    I completely disagree with that. He looks good because he is that good, and hasn't struggled at all like some past greats had vs a similar level of competition ( Their non-elite level opponents )

    GGG has the best combination of power and durability in the history of the division. That much can be seen visually and is proven by results. If you disagree, show me one name who has a better combination.

    There's nothing wrong with his stamina or focus outside the ring either so him gasing like Foreman or having outside the ring issues like Tyson is not an option. He's not a glass cannon type like Julian Jackson either.

    The skills are there. I don't see GGG missing many punches, and he has fought his share of quick fighters. He's got a shotgun Jab, a sizzling uppercut, and brutal hooks to the body or head. The right cross does a great amount of damage too. His sheer physicality and seek and destroy mentality forces the other man to fight or run. Multiple exchanges is not an option. What does he have now, 22KO's in a row?

    The truth is no Junior middleweight or Welterweight will move up and fight him. Hagler and Monzon feasted on these types, but it's simply not an option for GGG. Mayweather, Canelo, Cotto or Khan....smaller non-middles dare not share the ring with GGG as they know they are getting stopped, mostly likely in brutal fashion.

    If Canelo can't grow a pair and fight at 160, it will only confirm what I said above.


    No. I'm saying I've seen many past greats have their hands full, struggle or show weakness vs. opponents on the level that GGG has fought. Pick a fighter and I'll show you.

    Yet GGG has shown nothing but utter dominance vs the same class.

    Can I get a you're correct on this statement?
     
  14. BCS8

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    Well GGG has pretty much run amok in the MW division that cannot be denied. I just wish that he'd fight more often ... :)
     
  15. Sangria

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    Some good posts on this thread, but this is my take as well.

    GGG hasn't fought anyone of note. David Lemieux as his PPV opponent? A very weak division at the moment. GGG is the goods but a worthy opponent these days is hard to find.