Which middleweight in history could go 10-12 rounds with GGG that includes them takin

Speaking of John Henry Lewis, I've long suspected his career ending one round blowout loss to Joe Louis is an underrated and overlooked defense by the Brown Bomber. JHL was on a pretty good streak as reigning LWH Champion going into that one, and while I understand he was going blind, and Louis wanted to give him a final good payday, still, nobody else ever stopped John Henry in 111 bouts, let alone like that!

There is currently some suggestion that John Henry Lewis, not Buddy Baer II, Max Schmeling II, Mauriello, King Levinski or Retzlaff was actually the Bomber's most impressive opening round knockout result, and a few whispers this could have even been Joe's all-time peak. (Louis was coming off Schmeling II, but Max was 35 years old, and had been knocked out in one by Gipsy Daniels. NOBODY had ever stopped John Henry Lewis.) I think the discussion of where Louis-Lewis rates as a demolition job could be an interesting one.

 

John Henry Lewis was a great lightheavyweight no doubt. He would be a match in his prime for any modern light heavyweight in history. But what does it say about his great rival Maxie Rosenbloom who I believe decisioned JH Lewis 3 times ?. Incidentally when I was a youngster I would listen to Sam Taub boxing program every Sunday afternoon.One afternoon he interviewed Slapsie Maxie as Rosenbloom was called and said "Maxie you have fought every great fighter of your times ,so who was the greatest fighter you ever fought or seen", Rosenbloom quickly answered, "Harry Greb",PERIOD. I was duly impressed as my dad who saw the 12 pound lighter Greb demolish the great Gene Tunney in 1922, also said Greb was the greatest HE had ever seen...

 

Wow, who else did your dad see?

 

Rez, my dad lived in New York, worked in Greenwich Village and saw from about 1917 or so many great fighters of that era, such as Benny Leonard [the very best he would say], johnny Dundee, Ruby Goldstein, Tony Canzoneri, Ace Hudkins [an animal], Jack Delaney, Paul Berlenbach etc. . I got my love of boxing from him and my first pro card he took me to was in the early 1940s when I saw the young sensation Beau Jack decision a tough "Tough Terry Young at St Nicks.
Prior to that he would take me to the Golden Gloves bouts as often as possible. For years we would go every Friday night to the old MSG where for $1.50 saw great great fight cards,followed by my favorite haunt every Saturday Stillmans Gym where I would see the greatest fighters in the world for 50cents. Wonderful days for me Rez...

 

Burt, my first fight, was the Mar 13, 1963 fight at the Garden, for Cassius Clay vs Doug Jones, I paid $3.50 for a seat in the Nose bleeds section. I carried that stub in my wallet for over 20yrs.

 

Yeah, I often ask myself how is it, that Maxie could have 79 film credits as an actor, co-host the Mike Douglas Show five times, appear on several other television programs as an actor or himself, yet apparently have no extant footage of himself in competition. This is especially weird because Rosenbloom's acting career began in 1933 when he was LHW Champion, and his first two acting roles were as himself.

Rosenbloom-Walker I & II, Rosenbloom-John Henry Lewis III & IV, Rosenbloom-King Levinski (where Maxie scored a rare knockdown on the Kingfish with two chopping fourth round rights), and Lou Nova for his final prominent win in June 1938 were all bouts against colorful and noteworthy opponents after Rosenbloom's movie career was underway which might have been expected to be filmed bouts, but if the movie cameras did record them, they don't appear to have survived.

Again, this seems a little strange to me. Tommy Loughran wasn't a guy likely to produce fireworks either, yet we have ample footage of him in action. Maxie was working in Hollywood, competing mostly in California (even in Hollywood itself) yet we don't have any of those bouts (which I'd think the studios might want to record to at least promote his acting appearances), or his chess matches of boxing science with Lee Ramage, and these are odd omissions from the film library of the sport considering the fact he was a minor celebrity in movies over the last half dozen years and 70 matches of his career. (Especially within California, where the then rarely enforced Federal ban on the interstate transport of boxing films wouldn't even have had to be violated for his bouts to be viewed by a large audience.)

 

A, there are many boxing mystery's and strange events never resolved. For instance, can you believe that there are 3 great HOF fighters with a total of
NINE HUNDRED and FORTY THREE bouts, and not one of there fights are on film today ? 943 bouts and no film today...Boggles the mind.
P.S. I have my own mystery that has never been solved ...Life can be a puzzle
methinks...

 

Right. I know all about that mystery of yours of course, and think I've pretty much emptied my guns trying to help you figure it out. (My final recourse would be to hit my local college library for New York newspaper microfilms in a last bid to search through early 1950's sports sections, but I've probably done all I can on your behalf.)

 

A. thank you for your effort...I try not to think about that event I swear I saw as it gives me agita...cheers...

 

Well add Darcy to that list and Tommy Ryan both of whom likely beat GGG and Zale would certainly go the distance..... oh Yeah Al Hostak too... there was a very very hard nut.