Which name boosts Wilder’s ATG standing most?

Being a H2H nightmare for anyone means almost nothing in the real world. It's simply fan talk with no bearings on actual greatness or ranking/

 

You're telling me that losing your 3 biggest fights doesn't make you an ATG?
You're telling me that 121 year old Ortiz Sr isn't ATG worthy?
If scalping Helenius name doesn't make him TBE, I don't know what he can do to cement his legacy.

 

Atg at what? Making excuses is the only thing I can think of.

 

That was specifically related to the Wilder and Vitali comparisons. Vitali is regarded as an "ATG" by 38.8% in this forum poll:
https://www.boxingforum24.com/threads/which-of-these-boxers-you-consider-as-atg.647815/

Wilder's already a first ballot HoF lock as @Wig noted. I don't know what qualifies you to be an "ATG", or what it means in the real world.

 

Dude.... 'considered' by fans on a website don't mean ****. And no, Wilder a First ballot HOFer??? GTFO here... You consider Andre Berto a first ballot HOFer too?

But you've been told in this thread, while neither Vit of Wilder have a lot of top tier wins, Vit has more quality b & C opponents. Wilder's resume is pure garbage.

 

"And no, Wilder a First ballot HOFer???"

Of course he will be: only 2008 Olympic medallist on their 11 man team, first American HW champion in 7.5 years, 10 consecutive defences, highest KO ratio among HW champions, Fury trilogy etc. He's a lock.

"Vit has more quality b & C opponents"

Even if that's true, first ballot hall of famer Vitali also has: an inferior best win (Sanders or Chisora vs 30-0 Ortiz), losses to Byrd and Lewis rather than a draw and two losses to unbeaten Fury, no "ATG" trilogy, an inferior KO/KD record (failed to drop or stop Briggs, Kevin, Hoffman, Chisora, Byrd, Lewis), no Olympic medal. And Wilder's career is still ongoing: he may box for another 2-3 years, whereas Vitali's not adding anything more to his record.

 

wilder a great fury a great vitali klichko a great vitali was a harder man than all of them he would be best of this era he would be to hard for fury he was akward he was just as tall he was a monster of a man and im telling you that as ive seen him up close n personal from about 5 paces away ive never had the body but ive got the height and klichko was a man who was big and strong he was fitter than fury he was quicker by some distance he was a proper athlete im sure you can appreciate that mate

 

I am a fan of Fury.

But in a sense there is a point to be made that of the current fighters many years from now Wilder might be the most famous as it stands.

There have been many Heavyweight champions.

But not too long ago the hardest pinchers were to be considered either Shavers or Foreman.

Now it’s Shavers, Foreman, and Wilder. That’s if Wilder is not the hardest puncher ever. People will talk Mmmm about him 50 years from now.

 

Vitali is overrated:

https://www.boxingforum24.com/threads/facts-about-vitali.706069/

Wlad didn't have Vitali's chin or engine but he was more athletic, powerful, offensively skilled, experienced and less injury prone, hence he dealt with slick boxer Byrd with ease. Vitali's best wins were Sanders and Chisora and his mutual opponents with Fury (Kevin, Chisora) gave him more trouble. He outboxed Lewis after 6 rounds but so did Bruno, McCall and Rahman blasted Lewis out early and Mercer went 50-50 over 10 rounds, rather than 55-45 over 6.

 

Oh man.... you have no concept if context whatsoever. His KO ratio doesn't mean jack in factoring to HOF credentials. Why even put that there? Because you need it to beef his weak ass accomplishments? Oh yeah...a Fury trilogy is another credential required to first ballot. You're reaching so hard you could lie on your back and still pat Wilder on his head.

Vitali isn't the standard bearer for HOF. Nothing Vitali did matters to Wilder's credentials to make the HOF. You really should have taken a debate class in high school.

That said, yes, Wilder has time. But I doubt he'll make the best of what time he has.

 

"his weak ass accomplishments?"

Coming from a guy with no boxing accomplishments whatsoever. What proportion of heavyweight titlists (his peers) in the last 20 years have accomplished more than Wilder?

"Oh yeah...a Fury trilogy is another credential required to first ballot."

It's not "required" but it certainly helps to be involved in one of the greatest heavyweight trilogies ever, as does having the highest KO % in heavyweight history among champions, being the lone American to win an Olympic medal on an 11 man team, being the first American HW champion after the longest interregnum period ever, being the 2nd longest reigning titlist since Holmes etc.

"Vitali isn't the standard bearer for HOF"

He got in on the first ballot and so will Wilder. If you want a ban bet or whatever let's do it. If not there's no point in me responding again because all you're saying amounts to "no he won't!" with nothing behind it.

 

I'm supposed to have great accomplishments to have an informed opinion? The heck you doing here then? Let me guess, you're a former pro champ? GTFO child....

Being in a popular trilogy or being American has nothing to do with making the HOF. Are you even freakin serious with that kindergarten logic??? The fact you think those matters says enough. You just assume you know more then you actually do Mr. Dunning Kruger... Your posts are largely idiotic, as many posters have exposed you lack of critical thinking and applied knowledge.

only an idiot would think that. You don't know what critical thinking is, as you don't display any. reading your crap, you're all over the place trying to make points. None that even stick...

But...but...Fury trilogy...but but...high KO ratio!!! what a joke...

 

vitali was never on his arse mate it just shows vladimir had the advantages he was still not as good as boxer as vitali cos he wasnt as hard it counts for a lot bud

 

Speak for yourself, I can box and I know boxing.

 

Usyk I guess. If he found a way to KO Fury its kind of tainted by what happened in the previous three fights anyway. And AJ is definitively proven to not be as good as Usyk and is viewed as not being the fighter he was 5 or so years ago.