Which name boosts Wilder’s ATG standing most?

Fury and Wilder living off each other in their pathetic resumes. It would be like setting up an alternative World Cup with two countries, and when the Gypsies won saying they are the greatest in the world.

 

If Fury signs to fight Wilder or Chisora again, I'm pretty sure every sanctioning body should just off themselves to Dana White. As a gesture that they know they ruined the sport and that someone else should run it. Because it's all their fault. They did it.

 

You must at least have an Olympic silver and an 11 defence world title reign then. After all, you "can box" and Wilder can't!

 

"Being in a popular trilogy or being American has nothing to do with making the HOF."

Wilder will make the HoF on the first ballot and you'll still be the same gormless buffoon you always were.

 

"vitali was never on his arse mate"

Boxing isn't about never being dropped. Vitali found a way to lose twice without being dropped officially, including via quitting (something Wlad never did). Marion Wilson was also never dropped and lost many times, ditto McCall.

Being knocked down can be beneficial in some respects as it gives you the experience of getting off the deck to win and can make you easier to underestimate. One of the reasons why Wlad got his tactics wrong against Fury was the fact that Fury had been dropped by Pajkic and Cunningham. Vitali wouldn't benefit from this, opponents would instead try to injure him rather than think they can wear him down with the occasional power shot.

 

What I got is my business, what I know is that Wilder can't box.

 

No way wilder is an ATG he can’t box and ducked every possible challenge.

 

That is kind of what England and Scotland actually did.

 

You like to fool yourself ?

Whoever you are - its pretty clear for everybody you would not survive the first 30 seconds against this "can,t box" wilder .

 

He ducked whyte and joshua
Only fought fury thinking he was spent
Ortiz was beating that ass
Wilders claim to fame as been over shadowed by big nag
Wilder is a protected biatch

 

He ain’t beating Fury, so he’s gonna have to get lucky against Usyk imo…

 

By that standard you certainly can't and virtually no one else can (unless you happen to be a "P4P" level boxer).

 

We don't know where he rates in his own era so don't see how he can be an atg

His best wins are Ortiz and Stiverne

 

He's also fought Fury x3, which is a strange omission. Compare his performances against Fury to Wlad's, let alone Chisora's or Whyte's. We don't know exactly where he ranks right now but that will be clearer if the Joshua fight happens, or if Whyte beats Joshua.

Vitali's best wins are Sanders and Chisora, yet many regard him as an "ATG" and he was a 1st ballot HoF. Wig didn't claim that Wilder was an "ATG" right now, he's asking which win would get him most in the conversation. Beating Joshua, Usyk or Fury would mean a great deal. Joshua would be the least valuable win but even so, Wilder would cement himself as the best heavyweight of Fury's 2015-2018 hiatus with that win and his record/performances against Wlad's mutual opponents would be far better (1-2-1 vs 0-2).

 

Beating a 2023 version of Joshua doesn't prove he beats him back then and it doesn't prove he beats Povetkin either. He might have a weak claim to being the best heavyweight in 2017 but Zhang was around then and if he repeats his win over Joyce people may start to argue he was better than Wilder all along. I think the Joyce win is better than anything on Wilders resume so far.

There seems to be a lot of circular logic here. We have no idea how much left Joshua has and would need to see him in with other good opponents to gauge how much a win means. Someone like Makhmudov might beat Joshua now or Hrgovic. But only Wilder gets a shot at beating him? Hardly seems fair.