Which name boosts Wilder’s ATG standing most?

Uysk better resume than wilder at hw and hes held more belts and best better comp in five fights
Wilders coming upto 50 fights
Let this be a lesson to casuals

 

i mean, i do think he fought courageously against fury

but what 'decent guy'?????

yea. . . seems like a great person

 

"There is very little boxing in Wilders fights"

If you are a boxer, you are merely living up to the stereotype that most boxers are stupid.

Wilder is a boxer who has won an Olympic bronze in amateur boxing, had one of the longest single reigns in heavyweight boxing history, beat other heavyweight boxers ranked in the top 5 in the world (one via near-shut out UD) and made tens of millions of dollars from boxing.

He can box.

Is he unorthodox? Yes. Can he box to the standard of Fury or Usyk? No, but virtually no heavyweight can. If that's the standard for "being able to box" then it's an absurd standard.

 

I think many would reasonably argue that at the very least Wilder never proved himself better than Zhang and that his claim for being better is extremely flimsy.

A big problem here is that Ortiz never proved himself so we have no way to evaluate the win. I see it as roughly equal to beating Oscar Rivas as both kayoed Jennings and did little else.

Fury and Wilder never fought Hrgovic and he might prove better than Wilder yet

 

Come on man, you can't serve up no BS and expect for me not to see through it. You know as well as I do that the man can't box. The man is known for knockouts, not boxing. When it came time for him to box he fell short and it cost him. If he had real boxing skills, he would be able to box with any heavyweight and before I go any further, let me set you straight on this, Usyk and Fury ain't setting no ATG standards for how to box. Just because Wilder won the bronze and knocked out a bunch of cans and made millions doing it don't translate into him being a boxer. He is a fighter with rudimentary boxing skills. His power has sustained him. Not his boxing skills. I have never heard of him being referred to as a boxer by any coach, trainer, fighter, commentator or individual that knows what boxing looks like. You the only dam fool on here rejecting the evidence of your own mind.

 

You are basicly rights but this is common knowledge.

Since boxing exists there were fighters with superb boxing skills but weak power , fighters with great power but weak boxing skills and fighters with an average of both .

Every of them has his own strategy to win the fight.

Wilder has enough boxing skills to run a fight according to boxing rules and place his shots but relies on his devastating power to win the fight .

In any case he is,a very interesting fighter because you never know what happens when he enters the ring.

 

Especially after the second fight. "I don't want to make excuses, but the 40lb suit that I wore during my ring walk made my legs weak." And this from a man who stated that he wears a 50lb weight vest when he goes running during a training camp.

 

"The man is known for knockouts, not boxing."

Setting up KO's is part of boxing!

"When it came time for him to box he fell short"

So did Klitschko against Fury. So did Holyfield against Lewis. It doesn't mean that Klitschko and Holyfield "couldn't box".

"Usyk and Fury ain't setting no ATG standards for how to box"

No other boxer in history could have beaten Wlad over 12 with so few punches taken. Compare Holmes vs a green, inactive, undisciplined Cooney and how many shots he took, or Usyk vs Joshua. Scott was a Lewis, Wlad and Fury sparring partner, Ortiz opponent, amateur standout and he said that Usyk had the best skills of anyone he'd boxed. Usyk may well be the most skilled heavyweight boxer ever.

"His power has sustained him"

He didn't stop many of his opponents in the amateurs; he beat the likes of No.1 amateur heavyweight Chakhkiev over 4 rounds in Russia by decision. The same criticism could be levied at Lewis, Wlad or Joshua: how far would they have got with Usyk's punching power?

"I have never heard of him being referred to as a boxer by any coach, trainer, fighter, commentator or individual that knows what boxing looks like."

“A lot of people say Deontay can’t box, that he’s sloppy. Don’t get it twisted, he can box. He hasn’t had to box, because once that right hand lands, you’re out.” - former 2x cruiserweight titlist Steve Cunningham, 2018

Wilder's boxing skills are not the most impressive part of his game so they won't get as much attention as his power. But his skills have been grossly underestimated, hence he shut out Stiverne in what most expected to be a competitive fight. His clinic against Arreola is another example. Someone who "couldn't box" couldn't have done that. An Olympic bronze medallist long-reigning heavyweight titlist with close to two decades over experience in the sport, with world class sparring and a multi-million dollar team around him, can box. If he can't then virtually no one can.

 

"I think many would reasonably argue that at the very least Wilder never proved himself better than Zhang"

Wilder: 0-2-1 vs Fury, 2-0 vs Ortiz, 7 consecutive defence titlist going into Fury 1

Zhang: 0-1 vs Hrgovic, 0-0-1 vs Forrest, 1-0 vs Joyce, best win maybe Juan Goode (38-37) pre-2019

Wilder's well ahead. Like it or not, if Wilder beats Joshua and Zhang does the double on Joyce, Wilder will be de-facto No.1 in the period of Fury's absence. If Zhang beats Fury or Usyk then it's a different conversation.

"A big problem here is that Ortiz never proved himself"

Ortiz was always top 6 ranked by Ring from 2015-2021, he was a consistent performer. Rivas was fringe top 10 in only one of the annual rankings (2020).

"as both kayoed Jennings and did little else."

And Joyce failed to stop Jennings in what was a controversial fight in Britain. Who has Hrgovic beaten aside from Zhang? Kevin by UD? Jerry Forrest was soundly beaten by veterans Pulev and Takam and smashed by prospect Anderson. It's absurd to criticise Wilder's level of opposition and then put Zhang on a pedestal in that regard.

"never fought Hrgovic and he might prove better than Wilder yet"

As it stands he's got a long way to go. And he hadn't even made his debut until late 2017, so it would be laughable to consider Hrgovic the No.1 from 2015-2018 even if he goes on to accomplish a lot at some point in the 2020's.