Which of Holmes Opponents Would Pose Problems For Liston?

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  1. Fergy

    Fergy Walking Dead Full Member

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    So the guy s (at the time they fought Larry) against Liston?
    Norton perhaps?
    A young Witherspoon?
    Shavers?
     
  2. Flash24

    Flash24 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Not one.
    In fact Liston wins against all of Holmes championship
    opponents dominantly with exception of possibly
    Tyson, or Holyfield.
     
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  3. BCS8

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  4. InMemoryofJakeLamotta

    InMemoryofJakeLamotta I have defeated the great Seamus Full Member

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    Witherspoon. I would say Weaver if he had a better chin.
     
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  5. Saintpat

    Saintpat Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Liston would quit on his stool vs. Ocasio.
     
  6. Dynamicpuncher

    Dynamicpuncher Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Liston beat some good contenders but in reality he only made 2 title defences and he'd need to win 10 times the amount of world title fights to replicate Holmes's run.

    Liston was already aging when he won the title so logically Liston isn't going to have the longevity to win 20 world title fights.
     
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  7. IntentionalButt

    IntentionalButt FROM THE RIVER TO THE SEA Full Member

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    I assume we're leaving aside the obvious names (Ali, Tyson, Holyfield) and looking at just his title run (leaving aside shot Ali) ?
     
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    GlaukosTheHammer Boxing Addict banned Full Member

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  9. Flash24

    Flash24 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    I'm referring to the best versions of Liston, meeting the best versions of
    Holmes' opponents.
    Which is the gist of the question. Not the actual historical event
    surrounding Liston.
     
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  10. IntentionalButt

    IntentionalButt FROM THE RIVER TO THE SEA Full Member

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    Okay but does that include Ali (whom Liston fought twice in his prime) or the greats Holmes lost to after his title reign (Tyson and Holyfield) ?
     
  11. MarkusFlorez99

    MarkusFlorez99 Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Does this include all his opponents or just the ones he beat ???? I'm assuming the latter.

    Snipes, Cooney, Witherspoon, Mercer those are all competitive. Liston runs through everyone else
     
  12. Fergy

    Fergy Walking Dead Full Member

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    We can do that, just see how far Sonny goes from Norton onwards.
     
  13. Dynamicpuncher

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    I don't like doing that because it's just not a realistic scenario.

    Liston had a say 5 year window when he was competing at a good level so let's just compare Liston's overall form during that period amongst Holmes's 7 year reign.
     
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  14. AntonioMartin1

    AntonioMartin1 Jeanette Full Member

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    Ali beat Liston twice....

    Norton's power is really underrated. He'd give Liston a couple of good punches at least. Shavers would give him trouble with that power and that great chin.

    Cobb would possibly go the distance.

    Berbick would be slippery and box well until he gets caught in the third.

    Michael Spinks is the most likely candidate to actually beat him.
     
  15. Flash24

    Flash24 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Most would disagree with Ali fought a " prime " Liston.
    Personally, I believe his prime was from late 1958 to about 1962. I don't believe I'd get many arguments against that opnion. (And only God knows how old he actually was)
    Granted, I don't believe even a prime version of Liston beats a prime Ali.
    Ali was something never seen before or since he entered world class boxing.
    But my opinion is Liston wrecks most top ten heavyweights contenders ( note, not champions) in history.
    Yes, that includes all of Holmes championship defenses.
    And yes that definitely would include Mike Spinks, who I believe Liston would destroy maybe 10 seconds longer than it took Mike Tyson .
     
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